Intergalactic Summit

This is a sentiment I will vehemently and wholeheartedly disagree with. Superiority and inferiority are subjective terms and it is neither desirable nor inevitable that one culture be absorbed by another unless the latter chooses it willingly.

Jenneth,

You needn't apologize for disagreeing, I do not tell you what to think. I would state, however, that I was not referring to Caldari culture specifically but speaking in general. The Caldari pretty much already practice adopting and absorbing various principles and practices of merit from other cultures while steadfastly refusing to change other aspects of our own. There is no shame in accepting change for the greater benefit of the whole, so long as it is a change that is welcomed and beneficial to the whole, not just to one group.

I must agree with Khross-haan in part here.

The tripe you spout Mebal-Nardieu is insulting, to assume that your culture is the superior one is something deeply insulting, if anything it is the other way around.

As for absorbing one culture into another, I may disagree slightly. Cultures are absorbed willingly or not into those whom have a greater power and unfortunately the state of the matter is currently none can dominate another, despite my wishes that Heth would use his Titan in Gallente prime and effectively solve half the problem.

I would say that yes, the Gallente culture is insidious, vile and corrupting to all peoples, even those of their own people.
Where not the Jin-Mei a culture very similar to my own? One of honor and nobility? Yet what truly remains of it now?
The 'culture' that the Federation sells is completely toxic to everyone.

And for that reason, I find them the single group of peoples that I do believe should be hunted to subservience, I do not even wish this on the Matari, for these people still retain their pride and culture if only barely and they are at least worthy of the challenge they provide. I find much respect for them.
For the Caldari, these noble brothers and sisters have been shown time and time again that they are perhaps the only peoples worthy of maintaing themselves as a seperate entity as they willingly work with all Cultures, despite whatever evils may be inflicted on them in the past, again these noble brothers and sisters earnt my respect.

But again! The Gallente show none of these things, they subtly attempt domination with the veneer of assistence, we will enrich your culture they say! Lies!
They do naught but subvert all that your people are and claim more for their insatiable greed.

I have to say, at least the Empire is open about it, when they go to claim a peoples they do it without any overt appertures of false peace, its to the point.

One day the rest of the cluster will realise this and maybe then we can get rid of the infection

Well, as I said, the Federation does have a strong media. Well... the strongest media, I suppose. And, even if it's not part of an initative by the government (Is that what you are trying to suggest? It seemed ambiguous) the State is, being their longstanding enemy, the most easy target for making a villain of.

But I wouldn't say Federate values are unambigiously more appealing at a base level. It is as much human nature to work together as a group towards a common goal (or to aspire to your ambitions within that context) as it is to "defy the system" in a fit of individualistic conquest.

Just... One story has been told a great many more times then the other - And the people telling it have gotten rather good at it. It may still, however, be possible to catch up.




Well, that may be the case, but the problem with indoctinating lesser minds is that they, well, remain lesser, and tend to not even fully understand the ideals they have been led to serve.

If I may muse for a moment, as absurd as it might seem, I do believe there is such a thing as moral and amoral propaganda - or, perhaps more accurately, constructive and destructive. The former teaches and leads, portraying other options and outlooks - such as the example you used, of "trusting in yourself" as valid and understandable choices, but deconstructs them to reveal the harmful effects they also hold, and ultimately why the viewer should be proud of the circumstances already afforded to them.

The latter, however, merely commands, showing nothing of the other side or making a strawman of them (like so much Gallente and Amarrian media) which leads to nothing but hatred and stupidity. And hatred and stupidity - Even amongst the least influential figures in society - is far more damaging in the long run then the benefits (obedience, unification) it grants, and also far less reliable then educated opinion.

To put it more succinctly, it would be better, I think, to say "This is the Federation. This is what they do, and why they do it. And this is why we should not do it, and why we should do this instead" As opposed to "This is the Federation. What they do is wrong. We are utterly greater then them.", or worse still, "This is us, and this is why we are the best." People should want to be Caldari - not believe it is the only option. That is how healthy pride is fostered.

...Perhaps this is an idealistic viewpoint, I'll admit. I cannot personally justify the willful deceit of others, though, especially when it is being done by the powerful to the... Well, not so powerful.

It is said that if you cannot sell your values honestly to the people whom you need for them to survive, perhaps you should not be selling them at all. While the situation is far more complicated then that, it is still something to think on.



I am earnestly baffled by your ignorance if you truly believe - as you seem to be implying - that the State should abandon their claim to their homeland and sacrifice the lives of many of their own to embark on a meaningless venture to end with lives of billions of innocent non-combatants for no fathomable reason other then petty hate and spite.

Were I a citizen of the State, I would be insulted. Are you out of your mind, pilot?

I have known several citizens of the State to be quite insulted by the idea but I don't blame them, their culture has yet to commit genocide, it taints ones view slightly of the sanctity of human life and combine that with the traits of a Capsuleer and you find that bulk human life is vastly reduced in its worth to me, especially those of the Federation.

However I was joking at least a little about Heth using his Titan because if ultimately he doesn't want to I would not be surprised if the Empire would, or at least pursue a campaign across the Federation of subjugation.
What I am saying in broad strokes pilot is that the Federation as it currently stands holds ZERO inherent value and should be either torn down or given the biggest kick in the pants immaginable to shake the collective stupidity out of their heads.

How to conquer the world without firing a gun...

Got a single damned thing to back that up?

The Amarr Empire actively eradicated your culture, as per enslavement policy. As much as it might offend you, "teenagers trying on tattoos" is far from cultural warfare, considering these teenagers give the fad up once they hit adulthood.

In addition, many Minmatar here practice the Voluval and subscribe to a tribe, while believing that a pre-industrialization style of government is outdated. I have the feeling you might say "They are not true Minmatar", but I don't think you have the right to dictate their identity.

I think we're all getting a bit silly - no offense, of course!

People read Gallente comics because they like Gallente comics.

People listen to Gallente music because they like Gallente music.

People wear Gallente fashion because they like Gallente fashion.

In several of my clubs, my clientelle are very happy when I play tribal beats! It's the chic! Some of those customers are Minmatar!

Then, in other establishments, the atmosphere appeals to a more fundamentalist Minmatar crowd. Which is the real point, here - people can choose not to use Gallente products or what-have-you. Whatever makes them happy.

It's personal choice and I'm happy to see people exercise that freedom. And they're happy, too!

I quite concur with General Inhonores and understand his anger at this filth.

Not only does this absurd woman prattle on about how the Caldari, and I'll repeat myself here, a people that have collaborated with slavers time and time again to ensure that the Sons and Daughters of Matar remain in chains, are a more natural alliance than those who turned up in ships to aid the Minmatar in their rebellion, but she goes further. She spouts absurd lies such as the above, lies that would shame a harlot.

Then, when the good General has the temerity to ask her for proof of her disgusting assertions, she reponds in the pithy, petulant manner of a child.

Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilised, and it is with such a facile mind that this woman views the world.

The Caldari State and the Caldari people do not support slavery, nor see it as anything beneficial. Open trade and non-hostile interaction with a nation does not imply complicity to all of that nation's practices. Unless you are trying to suggest that Wiyrkomi and Ishukone (both of whom have business interactions and facilities in Federation space) are collaborating with the Federation for the expansion of the Federation's ideals and the assimilation of the State, or that Ishukone (who has assets in the Republic) are also collaborating with the Republic to undermine and destroy the Empire.

The Caldari do not promote slavery and we often counsel against it, but we do not tell the Empire how to conduct itself and so the Empire will continue to do as it chooses regarding slavery. For our part, slavery is illegal in the State and anyone who enters the State with a slave is arrested.

EDIT: I should note that the "alliance" between the Empire and the State also does not imply complicity to everything the Empire does nor does it immediately mean that the State involves itself in all of the affairs of the Empire and vice-versa. The alliance between the State and the Empire is not one borne of shared ideology.

What history are you reading? The nation of Garoun, with Caille as its cultural heart, has existed for thousands of years. Much longer than the Raata Empire.