Warfare & Tactics

I mostly agree, except for these first 3.

1) If you're a fast moving gang, you don't really need a rear scout. In fact if you are fast burning you won't be all fleet jumping so you have a rear scout by default. I find if you get too hung up on a rear and forward scout, you can move too slowly (it really depends on the type of your fleet: armor BS gang? Yeah, you want scouts. Fast nano gang and you're chasing something/trying to get somewhere? BURN BURN BURN and if it's there get a ceptor to keep ahead of you)

2) I don't really see the issue here?

3) The main pipes are where the targets are, why *wouldn't* you take a casual fleet there? I take casual fleets to where the targets are, which is usually the main pipe.

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Rear scouts allow for FC error and provides a safety buffer

Multi-boxing FCs - exactly what Orthan wrote

I have a problem with taking a casuals (ie: no discipline lets jerk around) fleet through an error that you know will have larger more organized fleets roaming. It spells disaster but this in itself is fine IF you let your fleet members know that is your intent. Some of us prefer not to die in a ball of fire

I have a couple adds for a couple of numbers listed. Nice list, I agree with almost everything.

2. I dont scout, repp, ewar, or anything else with an alt. FC is a full time job for me. I don't have the ability to duel box and run a fleet, look at overview, size up the opposition, fly my own ship, etc. I know that some ppl can... just not me.

3. I take my fleets where I think theres a fight. That is what I want my scouts to find tbh. Choke points, other camps, whatever.

4. Fleet comms vary immensly among FC's. I hate flying for people who rage, cry, b*tch, etc. I also hate being in a fleet where some FC is yelling stfu! on a regular basis because he cant take in vary much info at 1 time. I like to hear info like 'Falcon on the field' 'local spike' 'Falcon down' 'Logi down' ' Pilot X is dead' etc.

6. Sorting the Fleet. 100% agree on that. Get the bonus's sorted, kick anyone who is not present and participating. Seperate room for comms.

8. Sometimes a slow decision is better than a wrong decision. People get that mixed up sometimes. I have seen people call an Onyx or Abby as primary for instance...fast decision, but oh so wrong.

A lot of the things you listed can be put on the fleet themselves. They shouldn't have to be told to stfu, they shouldn't warp off unless told, They should know what 'battle comms' is and keep idle chatter at zero.

21. Fleets should know about Focused Fire, Primary, Secondary, etc.
22. I know its about the adreinaline... But a FC should actually keep his fleet calm and relaxed.
23. Different styles of fleets. The pilots should be aware of the general attitude. Is this a gtfo fleet? Do we fly till we die? 100% suicide run?
24. Looting wrecks is optional :P Don't lose your fleet because of loot.


New FC's.
Be willing to giva a new FC a few chances. If he is willing to try then he is an asset trying to bloom. Coach, don't b*tch.

Did someone do that?

I hear popping said alt for a sec status and caldari standings hit is also a good idea.

12) Singular most irritating thing I have seen in militia fleets is the FC’s lack of using fleet warp. If you are an FC you should be aligning the fleet and using the wing or fleet warp command to ensure your entire fleet, sans ECM and fast tackle, warp as one to the location unless you are quickly moving to setup at a location or you have a variety of optimal ranges in which case individual warps are preferred. If your fleet is warping on their own then they arrive at different times and can be singled out more easily by the enemy however if your entire fleet hits grid at the exact same time the enemy will have a more difficult time prioritizing targets giving you those extra seconds.

13) Yes orders need to be clear and simple for those who do not speak English well or result in complicated fleet movements.

14) Yes and no on this one, there are times where the FC should go along with what the fleet wants to do however it is still ultimately up to them and if it will result in unacceptable losses then NO should be the answer. FC’s cannot be timid when it comes to being in command you are the FC do your job don’t cave to every demand or they will never cease.

15) With the exception of being killed and in a pod the FC should never, ever, ever leave their fleet and if they must do so they should have a secondary FC take over command until they can rejoin the fleet. There are times when you must suck it up and die with your fleet.

16) This one is tricky, if you have no scouts your useless as an FC however if you are being scouted by a spy then you’re going to die, I never use a +1 scout I don’t know however other scouts I use until they screw up then never again.

17) If you use a scout and they are not giving you the intel you need then inform them of the fact however spending 20 minutes explaining in detail each thing you want scouts to report will get old really fast just tell them the basics, number in local, how many are enemy, what ships.

18) This one is completely dependent on the tactical situation, there are many times you need half the fleet to hold a position while the other half deals with an immediate threat but the FC must know the tactical situation to determine the risks associated with this maneuver. Without being the FC you may not know if this is being done intentionally or because of a lack of experience.

19) Regardless of flying with any particular person an FC should be able to take any group of people form them into a fleet and accomplish an objective successfully. There are many times you will FC for fleets which consist of people you have never met before, your knowledge of who they are is irrelevant as long as they do as their told and perform as expected.
20) 100% agree, when you form the fleet you should tell each member the purpose of the fleet, the makeup of the fleet, expected engagement ranges if applicable, and the current situation of the operations area. You must also at this time designate a backup and backup to the backup FC and target caller.

21) As far as your signs for incoming failure:
a. Comms discipline can be an indicator of many issues however the recovery time is a good indicator of how well the fleet is going to go. If you just got back from a break then comms is lax, if your engaged and losing ships and 4 people are talking about random crap then yea the fleet will not do as well as it should.
b. Many scouts just do not know what they are doing, if your scouts are not providing quality intel you replace them.
c. A fleet member leaving because they are bored is not the FC’s problem nor is it an identifier of a bad FC. Fleet members leave in many cases because the FC is not catering to their every whim and doing exactly what they want how they want. The FC should form fleets to accomplish goals and if the members do not want to accomplish that goal then they should leave before the fleet moves out. If I were to form a fleet to defend system XXX and we sit there for 5 hours chasing off enemies and defending the system half my fleet shouldn’t leave because they are bored and are not getting kills. The purpose of the fleet is to defend the system, that was stated initially and if that is not what you wanted to do then why did you join the fleet in the first place. Entertainment is not a required talent of a quality FC, a quality FC accomplishes the defined objective and brings as many ships home in one piece as possible, kills are a byproduct of this effort. If you form a defense fleet and fail to defend yet get
20 kills and lose half your fleet you are not a success, if you form a roam fleet and fly around for 6 hours get 40 kills and lose the entire fleet then you are successful because you got kills. Basing the abilities of an FC on how entertained people are is a really poor way to judge the abilities of that FC just as not joining the fleets of FC’s because they don’t suicide fleets daily killing 5 cruisers at the expense of a 20 man BC gang.

As I said Bolster you’re my boy but the thing about the FW fleets is that they are still playing by the pre patch rules of kill as many as you can when we are in the age of Sov warfare where an op that saves a key system but produces 0 kills is worth more than one that gets 100 kills but allows 5 systems to fall. FW FC’s must adapt to a more 0.0 style of thinking if they are to win their respective war’s.

Gunthar X
Director Bane Inc./Inquisition. Alliance
Primary FC Bane Inc./Inquisition. Alliance

But I'm bored at work and i like the flashy mail symbol on the screen, it comforts me.

says the amarian FW pilot...we know how much you guys rock

You all make fleets extremely boring (except chatgris).

Holy cow I think I found something from Tanaka that might go in my bio