Intergalactic Summit

The Federation continues to show aggression even now, General Inhonores. Just as sentiments of Gallente superiority are spoken repeatedly and profanities against the Caldari are spoken repeatedly, just as the Federation continues to try and police everything it deems "opposed to individual liberty" from every nation in the cluster. I realize we are at war and aggression is expected, but these things take place and took place even when we weren't at war.

The Malkalen Catastrophe was just that, a catastrophe. Yes, it has been stated time and again that it was the act of one man, but one man cannot pilot a Titan, one man cannot shanghai an entire crew into piloting a Titan into a station, not even a capsuleer can do that. You also have divided politics, at least one bloc of which supported a continued hostile stance against the Caldari. Even if it was just the act of one man (or, more accurately, one rogue Titan crew) the catastrophe caused a massive outcry from both our nations and tensions rose on both sides.

I give credit to your President Foiritan for his attempt to resolve the situation peacefully and I wish that he had succeeded. I also concur that Tibus Heth played the largest role in the inciting of the war, as he used his political position and influence as well as other less-than-honorable methods to continue to spur the spirit of the Caldari (understandably in a state of uproar) against the Gallente.

I have never, and will never, deny the State's part in the events leading up to the war. I am still waiting for you to acknowledge the Federation's.

No. Not right now, we do not.

No.

The Wandering Saint was a Nyx class super carrier and it is actually possible for a capsuleer to pilot a ship into a station. I know you're flat out counting past 10, but firing the engines and maneuvering isn't that hard to do without crew.

It's fairly ridiculous to assume a supercarrier can be flown without crew, since you can't even do that with a destroyer.

Sir,

Your anger is blinding you. Admiral Noir was not a Capsuleer, he was a hexadecagenarian. Our experiences as Capsuleers are utterly meaningless in this context. Also, may I gently suggest that this point has no bearing on the topic presented by the original poster?

You persist with this inanity.

Point one: Noir wasn't a capsuleer, he would have had to manually, from the bridge, control navigational thrusters while everyone else on the bridge stood there and did nothing. You are going to tell me what? That he held them all hostage? Alone? While driving the ship?

Point two: You have confirmed, a) that the Supercarrier had a crew, b) that a Supercarrier's crew is substantial in number which is precisely what I have been saying this entire time. You have failed to provide any legitimate explanation as to how one man could pilot a Supercarrier (which moves extremely slow, slow enough that the people aboard the station had enough time to initiate and evacuation order, though not everyone got out) and do it all without any resistance from the crew aboard the supercarrier.

Point three: Your petulance doesn't suit you nor does it qualify your argument for anything more than what it is: empty.

Conclusion: Alexander Noir was either acting with the assistance of the crew aboard the Supercarrier, or enough of them to hold the remaining crew hostage (given that emergency engine controls are both in engineering and on the bridge, both places would have had to be held hostage on a military vessel with a military crew). Which means that the defense of "it was only one madman" doesn't hold any water at all, especially since even after the incident, the primary entity behind the rescue and retrieval operations was Ishukone Corporation, not the "innocent" Gallente Federation. These leaves a lot of questions unanswered and your "supposed" explanations completely lacking of anything remotely close to answers.

Quite right, of course. This is not the matter at hand.

Back to the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic Matari.

Thank you, Pilot Gottii. We are not saints, and our society is far from perfect. We have a lot to learn about how to treat the least amongst us, and it is the Matari that would make the best teachers, I feel. Having never lived amongst the common Caldari, and being unable to do so now, it's a world forever closed to me. I will have to find some way to see this for myself.

Thank you again. You are a font of wisdom.

Allow me to settle the apparent contradiction and misunderstanding here. (For if indeed the State exiled or put to death anyone that couldn't compete then we'd hardly have a homeless population at all.) You are speaking of two different groups of people.

The former, the "homeless" in the State is anyone that is not currently employed or franchised by one of the megacorporations or their subordinate corporations. These people are at the mercy of their families and communities. If an individual's family provides for a member that is unable to contribute to the whole for whatever reason, then this person is given whatever resources and accommodations that family provides. If the family chooses not to provide for this individual than this individual will indeed face exile or death.

The latter, those who are given only the choice of exile or death directly from the State itself are those that willingly choose not to contribute to the whole. They choose not to be a part of the State by choosing not to contribute as all citizens of the State are expected to. Thus, they are faced with exile or death as the State does not provide for those unwilling to contribute.

In either case, the State does not allocate resources to those not contributing to the community, if you do not contribute then you will not receive. "He who does not work, does not eat" so to speak. The exceptions to this are honored elders and retirees who are taken care of either by their own market investment returns or their families.

To reiterate, however, the State registers anyone that is not currently employed by a megacorporation or one if its subordinate corporations as "homeless" whether or not the person is, in fact, without a home.



While this is not a dishonorable or unreasonable thing to do, you should also take into consideration two things: One, that you may not fully understand the system of another nation and it is better to ask and seek understanding than to judge in this case; two, you should also consider how a society treats its "elites" and the expectations upon them.

In the case of the State, the elites are expected to contribute to the whole just as much as their subordinates. A CEO or director that does not distribute part of their assets and wealth to the community will quickly become shamed and lose their place of influence and authority, because (again) if you reject the community whole, the community will reject you.



I am unsure if you are referring to me. I did not call you uneducated, I said that you were making judgments without full understanding (ignorance). You have only the understanding of what your NeoCom, some GalNet resources and perhaps a few conversations have told you. Before passing judgment, seek full understanding. That is what I am saying, nothing more.

EDIT: I did use use the phrase "speak from an honest and educated stance." This was not meant as an insult to you but it can easily be seen that way. Forgive the implication, I meant as I've explained above.