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EoKI - On the Caldari

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-19 14:29:29 UTC
YC 114, 19th of June.

The proxy war still wages on.

Untold numbers of my people, the Matari people, still abhor the State. Many still aren't truly sure why; many of my kin simply recognize that the Caldari are allies to the Empire and thus are our enemies.

But isn't it worth further investigation than that? After all, the State and the Empire are merely allies of circumstance.

The Caldari are indebted to the Amarr much in the same way the Minmatar are indebted to the Federation, which houses a large portion of our populace.

What I am saying today, I say without fear. For I may be criticized by my kin, I may be shunned and beaten, but I do so as a harbinger of change. I have consulted with the Spirits. My only interests lie with the Tribes.

I come forth and I tell you, brothers and sisters - the Caldari are not our enemies.

Make no mistake, I am aware that there are Caldari that harm us. There are some who would further the agenda of the Empire not through profit, but also malice. But the State itself present an opportunity that we would be blind to ignore.

The Republic focuses on it's war effort. Many die in refugee camps in our space. We free slaves every day, but whilst we cannot feed our own population. Many are introduced to freedom - but a life of poverty. Yes, we all know of Skarkon. But do not confuse me for a nay-sayer. Free every slave, I say! But let us concentrate on infrastructure, not Battleships. Let's focus on education, not militarization. Let us free not just our brothers in body but in minds!

But of course, we cannot have both. Despite what the Republic will tell you, as you can see, there is evidence that we cannot focus on the war effort and also the home front. Simply halting the military effort would be condemning our own blood - so what then do we do? I say, let's look towards the Caldari. Who better suited to help the tribes than the people of Caldari-Prime, who were taught diligence and efficiency by their bitter planet?

We are not so different. Now, I know that this is a point of contention and I will say this - the Caldari Corporations are not the clans of the Minmatar. But they have learned our tribal loyalty. They understand the importance of individual commitment and productivity. They respect their elders and the ancestors.

And of course, if you wish to reflect upon what it means to be a true Minmatar - look no further than not a tribal, but the Caldari's Tovil-Toba.

We will never the State use our culture as a fad. We will never see the tribes twisted by the Caldari until they are a distorted caricature of the Caldari themselves. We will never because the Caldari recognize the importance of independent values and heritage.

We cannot afford to perpetuate this war as we stand. Several Caldari subsidiaries have already declared interest in trading with the Minmatar. It is an opportunity we cannot afford to slip.

Yes, the Federation have helped our people. We owe them a great deal. It is precisely for this reason why we cannot afford to lose more ground to the Federation and must seek new frontiers. The refugees which immigrate to the Gallente may know comfort, but at the price of their own Matari blood.

It is time, my brothers and sisters, to put aside our anger before it burns this new world of ours down.

Who, if any, will stand with me?


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This thread will be monitored, but no questions will be answered. Questions should be directed to myself on a private channel and I will attempt to respond in a timely manner. However, if anybody - whether individual or a corporate entity - find themselves in agreement I beseech you to raise your voice here and now.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#2 - 2012-06-19 14:40:09 UTC
I'm compelled to agree. Maybe all of the empires have something worth taking from, but what seems most relevant right now to the Minmatar is stability and a chance for the next generations to decide our fates rather than impress on them the war we've fought.

The Federation may have done much to uncover the Minmatar of the rubble, but their... insistence on violence is not something we need to make a part of ourselves.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-19 15:09:02 UTC
Saisieni EoKI,

There is wisdom in your ability to stand back and assess the situation apart from the circumstances you are presently in. That you see merit in considering different paths, that you evaluate consequences and contemplate the future.

It is impossible for me to comment without doing an extreme disservice to the Gallente and likely to you as well. The Gallente and their Federation are well-meaning in their pursuits but, like most of us, are capable of committing great grievances in the pursuit of good intentions. Even should the time come that the Republic seeks to distance itself from the Federation (not necessarily fully, but to a degree), please do not forget the kindnesses they have offered in the past.

The Caldari are not your enemies, this is very true. The points you make are valid and well reasoned. We are not devoid of the capacity for selfishness and dishonesty, however. It is a possibility that some elements of the State would take advantage of your people and the opportunities presented by a new business field. While it is my word to you that Wiyrkomi would never engage in such practices, nor would the Honor Guard, I cannot speak for other corporations.

Whatever path your people choose to walk from this point forward, may it be one of wisdom and clarity; may it bring you a profitable future and a degree of stability and security that you have fought long and hard for. For our part, Wiyrkomi Honor Guard wishes you success and peace.

~Malcolm Khross

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2012-06-19 15:21:14 UTC
The Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive has no official statement to make at this time.

Katrina Oniseki

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#5 - 2012-06-19 15:27:35 UTC
No one's bloody natural enemies to anyone. Both the Federation and the Caldari are capitalistic and meritocratic (Caldari society was shaped by the Gallente one for five hundred years, after all), but hey, thanks to how politics works, and I'm just repeating UoC e-lectures here, the powers that be keep divisions in place.

Given the opportunity, a human being will be apathetic. If the State corporations did not use overt propaganda to say how much the Federation is the enemy of the Caldari people, then I don't think they would care either way. Similarly, if the covert propaganda of the Federation* didn't paint the State corporations as wanting to destroy the union (though I do not doubt this is Executor Heth's true intentions), then the average Gallente who follows said channels wouldn't care either.

The Federation is the only empire in New Eden to be completely accepting of political or national apathy, which is why I believe it's the best damned hope we have of peacefully uniting humanity. The cluster is only a small fraction of space that has been explored, after all. If we want to be superficially divided based on dated concepts such as nationality when we encounter new, possibly larger civilizations (even non-human), then I think we'll be in trouble.

You believe peace and diplomacy are universal concepts, and so does the Federation (ideally speaking). CONCORD was founded for similar reasons to the Federation. Unfortunately, many cultures insist on boundaries that separate being from being. Those silly "pure" Gallente who believe they "uplifted" the "primitive" Federal members are just as criminal as Caldari who insist on their "cultural survival" while imposing it on occupied systems in Placid.

Regarding the Caldari and the Minmatar specifically, so long as State corporate propaganda (at least Patriot-aligned) continue to paint the Republic as a Gallente puppet state, I don't think you'll have much luck.

*You'll have to use your head to understand what this means.
Rogue Integer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-06-19 15:45:17 UTC
I've heard this before, and I'm glad to see more people recognize that not only does war tear us down, the ethnic and national divisions between us - especially between capsuleers - should mean far less than what we have in common.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-06-19 15:45:24 UTC
Hi Seriph, good to see you are keeping well.

Unfortunately, you seem to have not found the thread you were looking for.

*You'll have to use your head to understand what this means.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-19 15:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
General Inhonores,

You have some of your information incorrect, and I will trust that it is unintentionally.

The news brief you linked was a statement from Tibus Heth and no one else. Please do not try and brand it as an overlying viewpoint of a major political sect in the State, especially since Patriots and Provists are not the same (which has been explained to you countless times).

You may be right in that the Federation accepts political and national apathy. The Caldari do not honor apathy on any level, but we do honor the national and political convictions and sentiments of those we interact with. The Achura are a prime example of this.

I would ask for further deliberation on the merits and demerits of the Gallente and Caldari be left out of this thread, as it is a dishonor to the intended purpose of this thread.

My apologies Halete, I hope you will understand my need to clarify.

~Malcolm Khross

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-06-19 15:52:37 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
a statement from Tibus Heth and no one else. Please do not try and brand it as an overlying viewpoint of a major political sect in the State


Certainly not the only voice... but the only voice in the State that counts right now.


The Matari will always serve. If they want to change up from their current Gallente overseers and choose a new master for a time I'm sure the State could use a new low-cost labor source.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Rogue Integer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-06-19 16:37:12 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Malcolm Khross wrote:
a statement from Tibus Heth and no one else. Please do not try and brand it as an overlying viewpoint of a major political sect in the State


Certainly not the only voice... but the only voice in the State that counts right now.


Apparently Pilot Khross believes that Heth is not a (the) major political leader in the State.

Perhaps this explains some things about his viewpoints on matters.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-19 16:51:49 UTC
Rogue Integer wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Malcolm Khross wrote:
a statement from Tibus Heth and no one else. Please do not try and brand it as an overlying viewpoint of a major political sect in the State


Certainly not the only voice... but the only voice in the State that counts right now.


Apparently Pilot Khross believes that Heth is not a (the) major political leader in the State.

Perhaps this explains some things about his viewpoints on matters.


Quite right. But until the anti-Heth camp grows some fortitude (or produces more weapons) The State won't be turning against their Imperial allies to embrace the Matari.

A few corporations might buck of course, but Heth and the majority of the megacorps know what needs to be done.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-06-19 16:52:34 UTC
It would be appreciated if you would not place words in my mouth, Integer.

Of course Tibus Heth is the "major political leader" of the Caldari State but that does not make him representative of the Caldari as a whole, nor of every individual corporation and entity within the State. You are smart enough to recognize this distinction.

~Malcolm Khross

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#13 - 2012-06-19 16:53:59 UTC
Rogue Integer wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Malcolm Khross wrote:
a statement from Tibus Heth and no one else. Please do not try and brand it as an overlying viewpoint of a major political sect in the State


Certainly not the only voice... but the only voice in the State that counts right now.


Apparently Pilot Khross believes that Heth is not a (the) major political leader in the State.

Perhaps this explains some things about his viewpoints on matters.


Sometimes when on a river, to travel downstream safely, one must paddle upstream for a time. We'll find the right course, even though the water's rough.

I make no excuses for or statement on Mister Heth, the Provists, or their actions.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#14 - 2012-06-19 16:56:21 UTC
Pilot Halete,

I'm so happy to hear of this initiative. Your actions better your people and enrich us all. May the Minmatar stand united forever.
Rogue Integer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-06-19 17:20:46 UTC
No one's placing words in your mouth, Khross.

Quote:
a statement from Tibus Heth and no one else. Please do not try and brand it as an overlying viewpoint of a major political sect in the State


I think it's understandable, although certainly not commendable, that Pilot Inhonores sees little daylight between the two so-called "political sects", as you're fighting Heth's war regardless.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#16 - 2012-06-19 18:54:58 UTC
Halete wrote:
Hi Seriph, good to see you are keeping well.

Unfortunately, you seem to have not found the thread you were looking for.

*You'll have to use your head to understand what this means.


If you like, I could offer a non-attempt at an intellectual response about the reason why Republic/State relations are poor and just say that, amongst capsuleers, the two nations are considered rather fashionable. Regardless of the crimes of the Republic or State, the two are rather popular for some reason or another.

Not sure what it is. I believe it is equivalent to UoC students experimenting with non-mainstream cultures, finding two that they are rather fond of (in this case, the Minmatar and the Caldari), and trying to mesh them together.

Confirmation bias is used; for example, the State is an authoritarian society, while the Republic is a marginally free one. These facts are overlooked. It's a nice thought, everyone getting along. As nice as the Fed and State getting on.

It's a "cool" idea.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-06-19 19:02:37 UTC
Of course. My political views are a fashion, much like my tribal marks.

You'll be taken seriously in this thread when you formulate a response with actual weight, until then you are free to create your own topic.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-19 19:20:39 UTC
Halete wrote:

This thread will be monitored, but no questions will be answered.


Well I suppose you weren't answering a question exactly, but so much for letting the thread float on it's own, yes?

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-06-19 19:42:13 UTC
My apologies, Silas.

Let me clarify; I will not be answering questions, but I will be trying to avert blatant attempts to de-rail the topic.

Thank-you for the interest, by the way, dear.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#20 - 2012-06-19 19:50:49 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Caldari society was shaped by the Gallente one for five hundred years, after all


Cultural shaping goes both ways, Inhonores-jagii.
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