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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#1 - 2012-06-19 13:48:52 UTC
I was not sure where to put this as it is not on the test server but live.

I know it is common to see items estimated at much lower than their actual value, but this one goes to extreme the other way.

The estimated value is way off on "Capital Crystalline Carbonide Armor Plate"

In my cargo hold or my hanger it is showing an estimated value of just over 5,000,000 isk/unit but current selling price in Jita is just over 800,000 isk/unit with buy orders just under 500,000 isk/unit.

Not that this is really game breaking but the issue is that a lot of gankers are using the estimated value to determine targets and a 100 stack of these only worth about 80 mil(45 mil instant sale to buy orders) is showing an estimated value of about 500 mil. A cargo load well below the ganking threshold of 100 mil for T1 industrial's looks like a very appealing target. I have not been ganked yet, but I haul a lot of these. A stack of 1216 of these needed to build the only ship that uses them is worth just over 1 billion isk, but shows an estimated value of over 6 billion isk

Is this broken or am I missing something?

Are the mats that go into it really worth that much more than the components? It does not seem so to me. And I build them. What am I missing about how this value is determined?

I wish I could insure my cargo, I could make 5 billion isk profit for every freighter load that got ganked.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-19 14:21:11 UTC
if gankers are using CCP derived values for items, then they wont be gankers for long

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Litair
Nleesh
#3 - 2012-06-19 14:24:30 UTC
There was another post about this Estimated Value feature being way off for the most part. I believe the conclusion was that no one really knew what it's based on and seems fairly random. Speculations are obviously that it's some kind of average over the last 3-6 months, although that doesn't always fit either.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#4 - 2012-06-19 14:29:07 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
if gankers are using CCP derived values for items, then they wont be gankers for long


Very true,
But there is no shortage of new players trying to get into piracy and ganking. Considering how popular ganking is in most MMO's as thos games die off the gankers are looking for new games to gank in. Many of them will at least try EVE.

most guard against ganking guides say keep your cargo hold value below 100 mil for T1 industrials and below 1 bil for freighters. This would also imply that anything over these numbers would be a profitable gank. Many gankers are lazy. the inexperienced ones or the ones just trying it, often use this estimated value.

But back to my question.

Is this a bug or am I missing something?
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#5 - 2012-06-19 14:34:45 UTC
Litair wrote:
There was another post about this Estimated Value feature being way off for the most part. I believe the conclusion was that no one really knew what it's based on and seems fairly random. Speculations are obviously that it's some kind of average over the last 3-6 months, although that doesn't always fit either.

I guess if it is based on say an average of the 10 lowest sell orders it could explain it. Since items like this that do not move well will only have a couple reasonable sell orders before they get crazy. I did see some sell orders as high as 8 mil/unit.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-06-20 02:37:43 UTC
do not depend on these values; they are seldom accurate ..they do give you a ball park figure though.

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Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-20 08:53:28 UTC
my .2 isk is that they are universal ave sales value

somewhere someone is paying much much more than jita value for your plates

my guess would be in null, but whether you
1. can find those buyers
2. haul them there
2.b can dock at station
3. have skill to list them
4. have the patience to wait for those orders

is another story

also could be manipulations, especially if it is truly universal ave price, easy as pie to manipulate

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