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Time to split the game?

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Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#141 - 2012-06-20 00:25:27 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.


And CCP will fight tooth and nail to hold onto this niche, even if it means sacrificing the company and the game.

But seriously, i think CCP has tunnel vision, it doesnt have to be PvE or PvP, it can be both, there just has to be some balance.... DAMNIT, CCP SOOUNDWAVE IS GUNNA COME AND BAN ME FOR SAYING THAT WORD.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#142 - 2012-06-20 03:48:42 UTC
What is the fun to every day to make a troll post some people have realy nothing to do. Then just trolling the **** out of this forum lol...
RAP ACTION HERO
#143 - 2012-06-20 04:37:13 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Only split that would ever be worth considering would be North American / Euro(Russian) with both shards continuing with the same rules and gameplay at inception.



Dumbest thing ever said on the forums. Even more so then the OP, and that's saying something.

vitoc erryday
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#144 - 2012-06-20 06:30:17 UTC
Ten Bulls wrote:
CCP Prism X wrote:
I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.


And CCP will fight tooth and nail to hold onto this niche, even if it means sacrificing the company and the game.

But seriously, i think CCP has tunnel vision, it doesnt have to be PvE or PvP, it can be both, there just has to be some balance.... DAMNIT, CCP SOOUNDWAVE IS GUNNA COME AND BAN ME FOR SAYING THAT WORD.


EVE is both PVP and PVE, it's a virtual world where you interact with both humans and the environment. What's so tunnel about that vision? I personally don't see any imbalance between these two.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#145 - 2012-06-20 06:36:37 UTC
There is only one split that I think will work.

Make a "no clone" server. You die, you fry. No coming back.

Then install special word parsing software on these forums and if anyone coming in pushing e-peen or talking smack about how "leet" they are, they are automatically transferred to the no-clone server to really show how big their bawls are.


Of course that server will also be voluntary to join - so anybody who forgets that this is just a game can be told "Big Boy Server is -->"


Honestly for noobs and people wanting more capable alts, it would be nice to see a "live fast die young" option in character creation whereby you can roll a char with accelerated SP accumulation but at the cost of a SP cap and NO clone ("can't clone hyper-accelerated brain" or whatever...). This would raise the stakes for those taking risk with alts or needing to make it more worthwhile to fill those empty char slots on an account. Impatient noobs who "want it naow!" and choose this option will be a source of epic rage when they get popped too. Just an idea though...




Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#146 - 2012-06-20 06:38:06 UTC
Oxford Longman wrote:
Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)


hey, remember when UO did that?

Basically, NO.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#147 - 2012-06-20 06:54:40 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Honestly, i never want to see eve split. I need you people killing each other so I can profit by making more t2 modules.

Also, imagine how annoying exploration wound be with everyone trying to claim a few sites.


That said, I wouldn't mind a week or month long throw back. Let some of the newer players like myself experience a universe where Titan's have area effect dds, where bombers mounted cruise missiles, mining could be done around a gate and had a far different outcome, warp to 0, did not exist, and concord is still in it's infancy.

Make it a test server or the like. Each month, a new patch... Till it hits inferno, them roll back to the start. Could just be interesting to see what i missed.


This is probably the only good idea I've seen all thread.

And it's a capital good idea, what.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#148 - 2012-06-20 06:57:29 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
other just onebig arcade game where everybody flies a ibis since nobody ever produces anything



Why do you believe PvPers are unable to produce anything? Is it because the "PVP" character class has a -100% industry modifier even at level 80?

because i know alot of you consider it lame slow and something that should be avoided as the plague , besides i don't see allthose cap pilots mining their own ice , do you ? it would be hillarious tho


Mining != Production. We don't mine our own ice because you very nice people in HS continue to do so for, roughly, free. In some places in Null, transportation costs add on the order of 50% to the cost of importing topes, HW, and LO. But we do it because, even taking a 50% markup into account, nothing, but nothing pays less than Ice mining.

So, hey, thanks for the help guys. Pirate

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#149 - 2012-06-20 07:08:44 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Prism X wrote:
..........I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.


CCP Prism X, that's not the issue. The issue is not losing your niche, its losing you subscribers. If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits? (It has not happened for 9 years, so maybe you are OK....maybe).To keep that from happening, perhaps the company that has such a game should be CCP. Or the aspects of such a game should be somehow incorporated into the existing game so PvP combat adverse players ( that is adrenaline adverse players) will not look elsewhere. Take that perceived market away from any competition.

CCP Prism X wrote:
.........Can't we all just hug and be happy (and then start the backstabbing and looting as is customary in New Eden)?


Based on the current forum rage, I would say no, we cannot. Oddly in our alliance there is no issue. The traders, industrialists, miners, mission runners and PvPers all live and are happy with each other. Things do not seem that way for the game as a whole. The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top. The questions you need to consider: Is it good for the game? Is it good for CCP profits?

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?


1) As to the issue of subscribers. EvE is the 3rd Largest Paid Western MMO by subscribers, with ~450k active subs. Add in FTP and only Runescape and Second Life move in ahead. There are several MMOs competing in EvE's genre, with the safety you're looking for. Aaaand.... they're not doing so hot. They need your help to prop them up.

2) The only Paid, Western MMO's beating EvE are WoW and SWOTOR, and they're not competition, because you're a lunatic if you try to compete with Blizzard or the Star Wars franchise (so, of course, tons of new MMOs try to do just that). The nearest MMO below EvE is LotRO at 250k subs and falling. I suppose SW:G was a genre competitor, but it never beat 300k and then it died. The next biggest MMO in EvE's "space" genre is Star Trek Online, which peaked at 105k and is now at 60k. Below that the data gets sparse because nobody keeps track of MMOs that have never beaten 100k subs.

3) I'll just put this here to give you an idea of CCP's intentions for EvE.
CCP Wrangler wrote:
EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#150 - 2012-06-20 10:16:17 UTC
you better run and that better be quickly
Secheh Bathana
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2012-06-20 10:27:59 UTC
Oxford Longman wrote:
...snip...



No, not really.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#152 - 2012-06-20 10:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
What we need is an even more hard core version of eve, one were

every time you dock your ship explodes
every time you talk in local or post on it's forums your mailing address is posted
One some kills your pod the rest of your payed for sub time gos to them
asteroids never respawn
concord in hi-sec attacks all pod pilots
cap's take multiple people to fly
once you start you commit, if you can't pay your subs you get sent to a diamond mine in Africa to work it off.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#153 - 2012-06-20 10:55:48 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Uhh... shoot each other and have a ball of a time?


Apparently not, or at least not enough, based on the current state of the game.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2012-06-20 11:02:40 UTC
ZEE BLOOD OF ZE OP WILL FLOW AHA AHA HHAHAHAHHAHAHA

sorry, I let my dark side out....What?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2012-06-20 11:03:23 UTC
ZE BLUT

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2012-06-20 11:09:33 UTC
You know an idea is bad when even CCP disagree with you...

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2012-06-20 11:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Lord Zim wrote:
Molinator Agnon wrote:
you can hunt the hunters with kill rights - you do have a whole month.

Unless you're dumb and make sure you get on the killmail, which a lot of them do by having the drones out and set to aggressive mode.

Oh well sucks to be them


It's a bit more convoluted than that Zim.

1) To be effective in some roles your focus is less PvP orientated by gaming choice. Just training "some" skills but being defficient to your opponent isnt an answer either.

2) Character age and disparities.

3) Ganking by nature allows for multiple players to attack an individual target. This give multiple Kill rights to a player for sure but also the headache of having to manage the response to all those individuals by themselves.

4) Alt useage can be problematic to frustrate characters here within the time frame for a response.

5) A hardcore player who plays 15 hours a day can quite easily avoid a player who can only play 2 hours a week despite best efforts made by them to invest time into trying to hunt them down.

Considering that BH proposals actually enact a "further" cost to the individual to use in determining this kind of kill right transferall behaviour to help this process without being so impacting to the game that they have to change their profession simply to be usefully effective at hunting players.

Since a criminal can easily use various avoidance techniques to move around feely in the EvE universe still, though some limiting mechanics will help here of course, with some future changes to CW, but believing that Kill rights as current are a deterent is rather biased or naive as a response.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-06-20 11:18:25 UTC
You did notice that what I did was point out that if you have drones out and set to aggressive, you do not have a whole month in which to kill said perp, yes? I made absolutely no comment as to how easy or hard it was to actually kill someone when you had killrights, I just pointed out that by doing what most pubbies do (sit there with drones out and aggressive) they forfeit the killrights.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2012-06-20 11:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Lord Zim wrote:
You did notice that what I did was point out that if you have drones out and set to aggressive, you do not have a whole month in which to kill said perp, yes? I made absolutely no comment as to how easy or hard it was to actually kill someone when you had killrights, I just pointed out that by doing what most pubbies do (sit there with drones out and aggressive) they forfeit the killrights.


Well I think thats the point. Some people realise the lack of value or use of even having kill rights in some cases anyway.

But it may be a valid point that some people are just also completely unaware that if you do respond to a criminal agression in kind you will forfeit any entitlement to kill rights.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-06-20 11:25:17 UTC
Also keep in mind that since the characters being used for ganking are most likely dedicated for that purpose, putting bounties on them probably won't be much of a deterrence either.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat