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160,800 slaves murdered

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Tridik
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-06-21 13:04:23 UTC
It is a real shame they were all killed, now I have to look for new "volunteers" to mine asteroids for me.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#22 - 2012-06-21 13:23:31 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Tiny Temper wrote:
I have never seen a breakdown on the racial makeup of the slave trade - but think it is fair to assume that the majority are Minmatar thanks to the Amarrian pillaging of our planets...


Minmatar slaves may be the ones who get all of the attention from bleeding heart emancipationists and sociopathic terrorists, but there are an awful lot of Ealurians enslaved in the Empire as well.



This is a new low, even for you, Blake. Over 160,000 innocent humans, regardless of ethnicity or race, were murdered and all you have to offer is this tripe? So much for supposed benevolence of the Amarrian "master race". And you wonder why your people are nearly universally despised... Roll
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#23 - 2012-06-21 18:23:06 UTC
There is no Amarr 'master race.' Holders are spiritual superior humans who are tasked with guiding others to God. A Holder can be of any race. The Amarr Empire has been tasked with Reclaiming the cluster but it's a huge, racially diverse state.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#24 - 2012-06-21 19:21:33 UTC
Down with this sort of thing as well.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#25 - 2012-06-21 20:00:59 UTC
Yes, those who died were likely in majority Minmatar.

No, an intelligent being would not assume the reason for this to be related to Amarrian holders. Unless those who destroyed the vessel have previously expressed loyalty to a holder.

Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#26 - 2012-06-21 21:18:49 UTC
I love freedom and I applaud anyone willing to place their own freedom, life and wealth on the line to do so. That being said, if you choose to take this righteous task upon yourself you have a duty to do it without your head in your ass. I would call for this pilots expulsion from the armed forces and to have their right to fly revoked. Pirates will be pirates, they have their own jobs to fulfill so they cannot be blamed for doing what they do. The person who can be blamed is the idiot who decided to fill a freighter with poor slaves and fly, unescorted, into this den of thieves. She may aswell have took out her scrambler pistol to each of their heads and blown their brains out.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-06-21 22:05:29 UTC
Terrible loss of life.

However I'm compelled to point out that we don't know the circumstances in which these people were taken into slavery. It is entirely possible that the whole lot of them were criminals. All I see are people assuming things about these slaves. Assuming things that help support their own causes, when the fact of the matter is we don't know anything more about them than that trade regulations classified them as slaves.

Regardless of the circumstances people died. It doesn't matter who they were, what they did or didn't do, they still died. Show them and their families at least a speck of respect.
Verone
Veto Corp
#28 - 2012-06-21 22:57:13 UTC

**** happens.

While I don't condone or agree with slavery, the blood is on the freighter pilot's hands for being thick headed and dumbassed enough to fly the vessel through Utopia of all places without an escort.

Whether they were slaves, mine workers, commercial passengers or livestock is irrelevant, a freighter or transport pilot has a duty of care and responsibility to their passengers and cargo.

Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM

Tiny Temper
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-06-24 11:18:45 UTC
Verone wrote:

**** happens.

While I don't condone or agree with slavery, the blood is on the freighter pilot's hands for being thick headed and dumbassed enough to fly the vessel through Utopia of all places without an escort.

Whether they were slaves, mine workers, commercial passengers or livestock is irrelevant, a freighter or transport pilot has a duty of care and responsibility to their passengers and cargo.



You are probably disappointed that you did not get the opportunity to participate in the mass slaughter of my Minmatar brothers yourself pirate!
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2012-06-24 12:26:58 UTC
A tragic loss of life. I hope many of them were at least properly prepared to release their souls into the are of God.

For those who are quick to point fingers or place blame, has anyone yet contacted the pilot in question?

Additionally some of you, like pirate-leader Verone, are typical in their blaming-the-victim approach. I think the primary responsibility for getting shot tends to be with the person pulling the trigger.

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-06-24 15:39:18 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I would make the small point that "slaves" is a standard CONCORD-recognised commodity and includes slaves of all races, which the Angel Cartel gleefully trades in, so we have no idea how many of those were actually Minmatar.

Another point of contention is the use of the word "murder," when referring to property.

One cannot murder a commodity.

I think this an overreaction.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#32 - 2012-06-24 16:28:48 UTC
Tiny Temper wrote:
Verone wrote:

**** happens.

While I don't condone or agree with slavery, the blood is on the freighter pilot's hands for being thick headed and dumbassed enough to fly the vessel through Utopia of all places without an escort.

Whether they were slaves, mine workers, commercial passengers or livestock is irrelevant, a freighter or transport pilot has a duty of care and responsibility to their passengers and cargo.



You are probably disappointed that you did not get the opportunity to participate in the mass slaughter of my Minmatar brothers yourself pirate!


I have always found Verone to be courteous towards Matari and an avid detractor of slavery.

Maybe you should leave your insults for people you actually know.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-06-24 17:58:57 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Tiny Temper wrote:
Verone wrote:

**** happens.

While I don't condone or agree with slavery, the blood is on the freighter pilot's hands for being thick headed and dumbassed enough to fly the vessel through Utopia of all places without an escort.

Whether they were slaves, mine workers, commercial passengers or livestock is irrelevant, a freighter or transport pilot has a duty of care and responsibility to their passengers and cargo.



You are probably disappointed that you did not get the opportunity to participate in the mass slaughter of my Minmatar brothers yourself pirate!


I have always found Verone to be courteous towards Matari and an avid detractor of slavery.

Maybe you should leave your insults for people you actually know.

Where's the fun in providing respectful, informed commentary?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-06-24 18:22:31 UTC  |  Edited by: David Toviyah
What a tragedy. This just goes to show once again what an abominable bunch of putrid low lives pirates are.

Los Muertas wrote:
I would call for this pilots expulsion from the armed forces and to have their right to fly revoked. Pirates will be pirates, they have their own jobs to fulfill so they cannot be blamed for doing what they do.
I concur. Why should we not reproach this pack of murderers? Because they chose their profession and are unwilling to change? What kind of argument is that?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-06-24 18:26:27 UTC
A pragmatic one?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-06-24 18:47:29 UTC
So because someone is unwilling to change his or her behavior you simply tolerate it, no matter how opposed you are to it? Are you really such a pushover, Lyris? I don’t see how this is pragmatic unless you avoid every and all conflicts.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-06-24 18:50:57 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
So because someone is unwilling to change his or her behavior you simply tolerate it, no matter how opposed you are to it? Are you really such a pushover, Lyris? I don’t see how this is pragmatic unless you avoid every and all conflicts.

A quick review of my combat record and my posting history will show that I do not avoid conflicts.

But there is a difference between avoiding conflict and picking one's battles. If you are opposed to something that you cannot possibly alter, then tolerance is pretty much your only recourse. That is what seems to be the case here, though do correct me if I've misjudged your ability.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-06-24 20:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: David Toviyah
Quick question: Ultimately child abuse (or pretty much every other prime) cannot be prevented but does that really stop you from condemning said crimes? Do you really just shrug your shoulders at them and go “Meh, I can’t change it”?

So then why would the fact that I cannot “prevent piracy” stop me from condemning it as the horrible malefaction that it is? Attitudes like yours are what benefits piracy among other things. If it were up to people like you then CONCORD would not even bother to punish criminals in high sec space.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#39 - 2012-06-24 20:37:40 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
If it were up to people like you then CONCORD would not even bother to punish criminals in high sec space.


That's a fairly well known opinion of Goonswarm Federation. They've never liked CONCORD or anyone who operates under CONCORD protection, hence why they live in nullsec and sponsor suicidal 'ganks'.

Katrina Oniseki

David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-06-24 20:46:12 UTC  |  Edited by: David Toviyah
I am aware of that. What I am trying to do is finding out whether she is able to admit to her hypocrisy or not (even if just indirectly) which is why I appealed to her selfishness (a common trait among “goon” scum). Would she tolerate crime merely because she cannot change it? Would that really stop her from admonishing evildoers that did her wrong?