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F*** this game. (Not a whine thread)

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Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
#81 - 2012-06-19 03:33:39 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:
OP and friends can justify their actions as much as they want - it doesn't change the result.

This thread is getting cyclical. I'm done psychoanalyzing for the night.

A shame. I'd love to hear you psychoanalyze the miners. If gankers are sociopaths for shooting ships in a ship-shooting game, what does that make the carebears? Are they "AFK" in real life--catatonic perhaps? Lol


Ugghhghghg. I really shouldn't have checked this thread again ;)

If you go back over my posts, you'll notice I haven't called anyone a sociopath. I certainly don't think OP or gankers are sociopaths. I mean, some of them may be, and ganking in EVE may be a natural outlet for their sickness, but ganking in EVE definately doesn't make someone a sociopath.

I've just been commenting on my beliefs regarding the connection between actions in a game and actions in real life. I don't necessarily think OP would go out of his way to hurt someone in real life - but based on what I know of him through this forum post, I would say he is more likely to than someone who practices kindness in-game.

Care-bearing, is very different and much harder to analyze. OP gave us a specific scenario to look at, "carebear" is far too general of a term. Maybe the player is new, and not confident enough with the game mechanics to pursue PvP; maybe the player enjoys the serenity (okay, boredom) of mining. There are far too many possible reasons for me to list.

Of course if we're talking about a player that has been around for a long time and actively fears the gankers and pirates, then I would say that they suffer from a lack of self-confidence. They don't trust in their own ability to either defeat their enemies or to find others to help them defeat their enemies. They, instead, let fear rule their choices and decisions - they operate based on what they feel will be the safest move.

OP, on the other hand, seemed to enjoy and relish the suffering he has caused - which may set him apart from other gankers or pirates. The fact that he posted on the forums about his actions (and linked chat logs) really indicates that he's proud of distressing his victims.
Malacath Azaria
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-06-19 03:38:54 UTC
Hill Austrene wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:
OP and friends can justify their actions as much as they want - it doesn't change the result.

This thread is getting cyclical. I'm done psychoanalyzing for the night.

A shame. I'd love to hear you psychoanalyze the miners. If gankers are sociopaths for shooting ships in a ship-shooting game, what does that make the carebears? Are they "AFK" in real life--catatonic perhaps? Lol


Ugghhghghg. I really shouldn't have checked this thread again ;)

If you go back over my posts, you'll notice I haven't called anyone a sociopath. I certainly don't think OP or gankers are sociopaths. I mean, some of them may be, and ganking in EVE may be a natural outlet for their sickness, but ganking in EVE definately doesn't make someone a sociopath.

I've just been commenting on my beliefs regarding the connection between actions in a game and actions in real life. I don't necessarily think OP would go out of his way to hurt someone in real life - but based on what I know of him through this forum post, I would say he is more likely to than someone who practices kindness in-game.

Care-bearing, is very different and much harder to analyze. OP gave us a specific scenario to look at, "carebear" is far too general of a term. Maybe the player is new, and not confident enough with the game mechanics to pursue PvP; maybe the player enjoys the serenity (okay, boredom) of mining. There are far too many possible reasons for me to list.

Of course if we're talking about a player that has been around for a long time and actively fears the gankers and pirates, then I would say that they suffer from a lack of self-confidence. They don't trust in their own ability to either defeat their enemies or to find others to help them defeat their enemies. They, instead, let fear rule their choices and decisions - they operate based on what they feel will be the safest move.

OP, on the other hand, seemed to enjoy and relish the suffering he has caused - which may set him apart from other gankers or pirates. The fact that he posted on the forums about his actions (and linked chat logs) really indicates that he's proud of distressing his victims.


I'm a really kind person in real life, but I like to blow up pixel spaceships in a computer game. What is your analysis?
Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
#83 - 2012-06-19 03:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hill Austrene
Malacath Azaria wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:
OP and friends can justify their actions as much as they want - it doesn't change the result.

This thread is getting cyclical. I'm done psychoanalyzing for the night.

A shame. I'd love to hear you psychoanalyze the miners. If gankers are sociopaths for shooting ships in a ship-shooting game, what does that make the carebears? Are they "AFK" in real life--catatonic perhaps? Lol


Ugghhghghg. I really shouldn't have checked this thread again ;)

If you go back over my posts, you'll notice I haven't called anyone a sociopath. I certainly don't think OP or gankers are sociopaths. I mean, some of them may be, and ganking in EVE may be a natural outlet for their sickness, but ganking in EVE definately doesn't make someone a sociopath.

I've just been commenting on my beliefs regarding the connection between actions in a game and actions in real life. I don't necessarily think OP would go out of his way to hurt someone in real life - but based on what I know of him through this forum post, I would say he is more likely to than someone who practices kindness in-game.

Care-bearing, is very different and much harder to analyze. OP gave us a specific scenario to look at, "carebear" is far too general of a term. Maybe the player is new, and not confident enough with the game mechanics to pursue PvP; maybe the player enjoys the serenity (okay, boredom) of mining. There are far too many possible reasons for me to list.

Of course if we're talking about a player that has been around for a long time and actively fears the gankers and pirates, then I would say that they suffer from a lack of self-confidence. They don't trust in their own ability to either defeat their enemies or to find others to help them defeat their enemies. They, instead, let fear rule their choices and decisions - they operate based on what they feel will be the safest move.

OP, on the other hand, seemed to enjoy and relish the suffering he has caused - which may set him apart from other gankers or pirates. The fact that he posted on the forums about his actions (and linked chat logs) really indicates that he's proud of distressing his victims.


I'm a really kind person in real life, but I like to blow up pixel spaceships in a computer game. What is your analysis?



That you're lying to troll me on a forum. :)

EDIT: Okay, finefine - I'd say you have a repressed desire for power over other people. You may not even realize it. Do you have overbearing parents? As a child, were you bullied a lot? I'm genuinely curious.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#84 - 2012-06-19 03:41:12 UTC
Malacath Azaria wrote:

I'm a really kind person in real life, but I like to blow up pixel spaceships in a computer game. What is your analysis?

That you are not possibly lying, no way. You seem the honest sort, you know, ignoring that scam attempt and all.
Washichu May
Psilocybin Research
#85 - 2012-06-19 03:41:57 UTC
Ok, kids, I was just kidding, you're not sociopaths, just kids. Fly safe.

P.S. Silly Goons :P
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#86 - 2012-06-19 03:42:05 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Serena Serene wrote:

I don't see anything wrong in liking to destroy other people's ships. But like mentioned above, I do also think it's questionable if someone likes when this action causes real emotional pain in the victim.
But the victim also should remember this here is a game where things get blown up, and if that causes such pain it might not be the right game.


Frankly as far as psychoanalysis goes I'd be more concerned about the people who get all raged up over losing internet pixels.

I'm not sure why psychoanalysis is necessary.

If having a single ship blown up leads to you leaving the game, you're not a good fit for EVE. If you come on the forum and brag about pissing someone off and causing them to quit, you're a douche.

Nothing mutually exclusive about these things.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#87 - 2012-06-19 03:43:36 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Hill Austrene wrote:


That you're lying to troll me on a forum. :)

EDIT: Okay, finefine - I'd say you have a repressed desire for power over other people. You may not even realize it. Do you have overbearing parents? As a child, were you bullied a lot? I'm genuinely curious.


Where did you do your Post-Doctoral work in Psychoanalysis?

(It's an actual post-doctoral specialty, as in a practicing Psychoanalyst is a PhD who spend 3-4 more years learning to perform psychoanalysis)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
#88 - 2012-06-19 03:46:51 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:


That you're lying to troll me on a forum. :)

EDIT: Okay, finefine - I'd say you have a repressed desire for power over other people. You may not even realize it. Do you have overbearing parents? As a child, were you bullied a lot? I'm genuinely curious.


Where did you do your Post-Doctoral work in Psychoanalysis?


Haha! I only have a Bachelors Degree. Although I'm currently attending graduate school.

I guess I should note that I am not qualified to dole out medical advice; just opinions. I just figured that was assumed, you know - with this being a video game forum and all... ;)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#89 - 2012-06-19 03:49:35 UTC
Hill Austrene wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:


That you're lying to troll me on a forum. :)

EDIT: Okay, finefine - I'd say you have a repressed desire for power over other people. You may not even realize it. Do you have overbearing parents? As a child, were you bullied a lot? I'm genuinely curious.


Where did you do your Post-Doctoral work in Psychoanalysis?


Haha! I only have a Bachelors Degree. Although I'm currently attending graduate school.

I guess I should note that I am not qualified to dole out medical advice; just opinions. I just figured that was assumed, you know - with this being a video game forum and all... ;)


Right, my point is that, being short around a dozen years of schooling (and, y'know, contact with the patient), what makes you think you have any claim to anything resembling accuracy?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#90 - 2012-06-19 03:52:27 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
any claim to anything resembling accuracy?

Occam's razor
Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
#91 - 2012-06-19 03:54:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:


That you're lying to troll me on a forum. :)

EDIT: Okay, finefine - I'd say you have a repressed desire for power over other people. You may not even realize it. Do you have overbearing parents? As a child, were you bullied a lot? I'm genuinely curious.


Where did you do your Post-Doctoral work in Psychoanalysis?


Haha! I only have a Bachelors Degree. Although I'm currently attending graduate school.

I guess I should note that I am not qualified to dole out medical advice; just opinions. I just figured that was assumed, you know - with this being a video game forum and all... ;)


Right, my point is that, being short around a dozen years of schooling (and, y'know, contact with the patient), what makes you think you have any claim to anything resembling accuracy?


Okay, first, for the record, it does not take a dozen years of post-undergrad education to become a licensed psychologist.

Second, he asked me to analyze his statement. So that's what I'm doing. Prior to that post, I was offering my opinions on his actions and their possible ramifications.
Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
#92 - 2012-06-19 03:55:16 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
any claim to anything resembling accuracy?

Occam's razor


That's awesome! Lol
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#93 - 2012-06-19 03:59:48 UTC
Hill Austrene wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:


That you're lying to troll me on a forum. :)

EDIT: Okay, finefine - I'd say you have a repressed desire for power over other people. You may not even realize it. Do you have overbearing parents? As a child, were you bullied a lot? I'm genuinely curious.


Where did you do your Post-Doctoral work in Psychoanalysis?


Haha! I only have a Bachelors Degree. Although I'm currently attending graduate school.

I guess I should note that I am not qualified to dole out medical advice; just opinions. I just figured that was assumed, you know - with this being a video game forum and all... ;)


Right, my point is that, being short around a dozen years of schooling (and, y'know, contact with the patient), what makes you think you have any claim to anything resembling accuracy?


Okay, first, for the record, it does not take a dozen years of post-undergrad education to become a licensed psychologist.

Second, he asked me to analyze his statement. So that's what I'm doing. Prior to that post, I was offering my opinions on his actions and their possible ramifications.


I said Psychoanalyst, which, as I said, is a post-doctoral specialty.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
#94 - 2012-06-19 04:05:59 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


I said Psychoanalyst, which, as I said, is a post-doctoral specialty.


You don't need to be a Psychoanalyst to perform accurate and effective psychoanalysis.
Reft Ar'en
Fixers Corporation
Pillars of Liberty
#95 - 2012-06-19 04:10:54 UTC
Good lord did this spin off-topic.

OP = Ass.

Everyone else = making assumptions they cannot prove.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#96 - 2012-06-19 04:13:11 UTC
Hill Austrene wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


I said Psychoanalyst, which, as I said, is a post-doctoral specialty.


You don't need to be a Psychoanalyst to perform accurate and effective psychoanalysis.


You're right. To perform accurate and effective psychoanalysis on someone you've never met, you wouldn't need to be a Psychoanalyst. You'd need to be a clairvoyant.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Malacath Azaria
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-06-19 04:13:14 UTC
Reft Ar'en wrote:
Good lord did this spin off-topic.

OP = Ass.

Everyone else = making assumptions they cannot prove.


By your logic, anyone that plays the game is an ass, including yourself.
Malacath Azaria
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-06-19 04:15:26 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Hill Austrene wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


I said Psychoanalyst, which, as I said, is a post-doctoral specialty.


You don't need to be a Psychoanalyst to perform accurate and effective psychoanalysis.


You're right. To perform accurate and effective psychoanalysis on someone you've never met, you wouldn't need to be a Psychoanalyst. You'd need to be a clairvoyant.


Apparently being a clairvoyant is a very well paid scam job
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#99 - 2012-06-19 04:15:57 UTC
Malacath Azaria wrote:
Reft Ar'en wrote:
Good lord did this spin off-topic.

OP = Ass.

Everyone else = making assumptions they cannot prove.


By your logic, anyone that plays the game is an ass, including yourself.


This might hold water as the ones who weren't asses, quit it immediately.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#100 - 2012-06-19 04:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Hill Austrene wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


I said Psychoanalyst, which, as I said, is a post-doctoral specialty.

You don't need to be a Psychoanalyst to perform accurate and effective psychoanalysis.

You can't perform accurate and effective psychoanalysis based on a handful of forum posts. Even if you have a PhD.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.