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An Open Letter to Jade Constantine

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#101 - 2012-06-19 03:31:18 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Ugh god, the guy arguing the other side from Insane Danes is actually crazier than her.
As some guy with breathing problems once said “Impressive… most impressive.”

Issler Dainze wrote:
I'd lay this challenge out though, goons, prove you don't care about wars in high sec (you've claimed that maybe as much as it would cost me to pay for all my allies once 1.1 lands) and drop all the current wars you have. If they don't matter then why have them?
That doesn't make much sense, now does it? First of all, all I've ever seen them say is that highsec wars don't affect them. They do affect highsec-dwellers, though, so that's your reason right there whey they might be interested in having them: because they matter to you.

If something doesn't bother you but hugely inconveniences the enemy, what incentive would there be for you to stop doing it?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#102 - 2012-06-19 03:37:10 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Also, something that would probably please everyone would be keeping the current free allies system, but add an upper limit to how many corps/people you can have as allies.

That way you would still be able to have your crusade against the GSF on even terms, but you'd have to choose allies more carefully, instead of getting a million random 20 man corps on the bandwagon.

I think it's fine.

They haven't reached 9000 undock campers yet, so there's plenty of room to go around.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#103 - 2012-06-19 04:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Freezehunter wrote:

Listen, buddy, just because you were lucky to get elected on the CSM doesn't mean you are a game developer that gets a say in what is or is not an exploit, because you are not qualified to do so.


And neither of course are you. So perhaps you'd care to dial down your wild rumourmongering just a little (and have a nice cup of tea to calm down)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Freezehunter
#104 - 2012-06-19 04:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Jade Constantine wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:

Listen, buddy, just because you were lucky to get elected on the CSM doesn't mean you are a game developer that gets a say in what is or is not an exploit, because you are not qualified to do so.


And neither of course are you. So perhaps you'd care to dial down your wild rumourmongering just a little (and breath.)


Yes, because *every* single post you've made over the past few days it not a BS rumor at all.

Hypocrite much?

And as a matter of fact, I am qualified.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#105 - 2012-06-19 04:05:15 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Also, something that would probably please everyone would be keeping the current free allies system, but add an upper limit to how many corps/people you can have as allies.

That way you would still be able to have your crusade against the GSF on even terms, but you'd have to choose allies more carefully, instead of getting a million random 20 man corps on the bandwagon.



Well we actually have 46 or so allies currently (a very large proportion are 1 man or a small handful of people outfits) are you really suggesting that these people should be robbed of the chance to shoot back at the goons (who are currently claiming they welcome the attention) simply because your "14 years of game design college" gives you the right to say that things got imbalanced against the attacker?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#106 - 2012-06-19 04:07:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
That doesn't make much sense, now does it? First of all, all I've ever seen them say is that highsec wars don't affect them. They do affect highsec-dwellers, though, so that's your reason right there whey they might be interested in having them: because they matter to you. If something doesn't bother you but hugely inconveniences the enemy, what incentive would there be for you to stop doing it?


Especially once they've had the game rebalanced in their favour by removing free defensive allies eh Tippia. Apparently it wasn't "fair" that defenders could build a coalition of defensive allies against a much larger attacker.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Freezehunter
#107 - 2012-06-19 04:08:46 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Also, something that would probably please everyone would be keeping the current free allies system, but add an upper limit to how many corps/people you can have as allies.

That way you would still be able to have your crusade against the GSF on even terms, but you'd have to choose allies more carefully, instead of getting a million random 20 man corps on the bandwagon.



Well we actually have 46 or so allies currently (a very large proportion are 1 man or a small handful of people outfits) are you really suggesting that these people should be robbed of the chance to shoot back at the goons (who are currently claiming they welcome the attention) simply because your "14 years of game design college" gives you the right to say that things got imbalanced against the attacker?


No, genius, I am saying that if this was not Goonswarm, but a way smaller entity, this wardec duping/stacking would not be fair at all because it's FREE for the defender, so it needs to be charged.

You must have a common sense filter implant in your head or something.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#108 - 2012-06-19 04:11:48 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
No, genius, I am saying that if this was not Goonswarm, but a way smaller entity, this wardec duping/stacking would not be fair at all because it's FREE for the defender, so it needs to be charged.


1st off, you have been told this duping allegation is ridiculous, please stop it, you are embarrassing yourself.

2nd. I have already provided a perfectly sensible solution for a small entity making wardecs to be protected against outrageous ally dog-piling MANY times. If the defending entity (defender + allies) is larger than the attacker they must pay to add more allies.

Job done, solution is right there. Perhaps your "14 years of game design experience" should pause for breath and consider the solution that has been offered.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Freezehunter
#109 - 2012-06-19 04:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
I also have another idea how to fix this.

Keep the allies for the defender free, but limit them both to the maximum number of attackers.

For example, A is the attacker, D is the defender.
A has 9000 members.
D has, say... 1000 members.

D is allowed to recruit exactly 8000 more players worth of corporations OR INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS THAT SIGN UP ON A LIST SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN THE CALENDAR INTERFACE (brand new idea).

On the other hand, if A and D both have 9000 members, D cannot call in any more allies.

Is that fair enough for you Jade?
Or do you just want to outnumber the swarm 50 to 1 to prove a point?

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#110 - 2012-06-19 04:14:39 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Also, something that would probably please everyone would be keeping the current free allies system, but add an upper limit to how many corps/people you can have as allies.

That way you would still be able to have your crusade against the GSF on even terms, but you'd have to choose allies more carefully, instead of getting a million random 20 man corps on the bandwagon.



Well we actually have 46 or so allies currently (a very large proportion are 1 man or a small handful of people outfits) are you really suggesting that these people should be robbed of the chance to shoot back at the goons (who are currently claiming they welcome the attention) simply because your "14 years of game design college" gives you the right to say that things got imbalanced against the attacker?


Keep the Dec mutual. Invite them to your alliance. Keep dogpileing Goons.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#111 - 2012-06-19 04:14:39 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well we actually have 46 or so allies currently (a very large proportion are 1 man or a small handful of people outfits) are you really suggesting that these people should be robbed of the chance to shoot back at the goons (who are currently claiming they welcome the attention) simply because your "14 years of game design college" gives you the right to say that things got imbalanced against the attacker?

No, they should be allowed to sit on the jita undock waiting for a moron to undock. And then themselves dock when a GSF roam comes by.

It's how they play EVE.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#112 - 2012-06-19 04:16:28 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Keep the Dec mutual. Invite them to your alliance. Keep dogpileing Goons.

If it's just a small group they may want to jump in on every wardec. (I think Unquestional Prosperity Alliance has 70+ wars they are allies in). Still, if everyone always selects to be an ally, we could wind up with an amazing system. Think of it:

Jita 4-4 consisting of nothing but NPC freighter alts docking and undocking. Every now and then some undock camers undocks, and some who are in wars with them undock, and then everyone docks. Because blobbers.

Beautiful.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#113 - 2012-06-19 04:17:55 UTC
Jade "Brothel Owner" Constantine wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Also, something that would probably please everyone would be keeping the current free allies system, but add an upper limit to how many corps/people you can have as allies.

That way you would still be able to have your crusade against the GSF on even terms, but you'd have to choose allies more carefully, instead of getting a million random 20 man corps on the bandwagon.



Well we actually have 46 or so allies currently (a very large proportion are 1 man or a small handful of people outfits) are you really suggesting that these people should be robbed of the chance to shoot back at the goons (who are currently claiming they welcome the attention) simply because your "14 years of game design college" gives you the right to say that things got imbalanced against the attacker?


I'm literally so terrified of the pubbie throwdown coming our way I panicked and ran away from my computer while my Ishtar got shot at by gurristas for 30 minutes. I don't think I can handle this pressure you have placed on my coalition any longer. The constant fear, that any minute I may undock my ship and... undock my ship some more... and...

Wait what is it you guys are doing to us that's so nasty we are whining to CCP for again? I mean I still have all my money, my ships, my rugged good looks... all of my posts are still here and that's what's really important.

Has anyone told you that you are crazy?
Freezehunter
#114 - 2012-06-19 04:19:02 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
No, genius, I am saying that if this was not Goonswarm, but a way smaller entity, this wardec duping/stacking would not be fair at all because it's FREE for the defender, so it needs to be charged.


1st off, you have been told this duping allegation is ridiculous, please stop it, you are embarrassing yourself.

2nd. I have already provided a perfectly sensible solution for a small entity making wardecs to be protected against outrageous ally dog-piling MANY times. If the defending entity (defender + allies) is larger than the attacker they must pay to add more allies.

Job done, solution is right there. Perhaps your "14 years of game design experience" should pause for breath and consider the solution that has been offered.


I have been told that by a random nobody that had the fortune of being voted on the CSM, NOT by CCP or someone QUALIFIED.
Just because Bush was the president of the US, that doesn't mean he wasn't a moron that couldn't string together a sentence without sounding like a ******.

And learn to read, I said I've been a gamer for 14 years.

Seriously, I am getting the impression that you are being obtuse on purpose, because NO ONE is actually that dumb.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#115 - 2012-06-19 04:19:34 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
I also have another idea how to fix this.

Keep the allies for the defender free, but limit them both to the maximum number of attackers.

For example, A is the attacker, D is the defender.
A has 9000 members.
D has, say... 1000 members.

D is allowed to recruit exactly 8000 more players worth of corporations OR INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS THAT SIGN UP ON A LIST SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN THE CALENDAR INTERFACE (brand new idea).

On the other hand, if A and D both have 9000 members, D cannot call in any more allies.

Is that fair enough for you Jade?
Or do you just want to outnumber the swarm 50 to 1 to prove a point?


Its a far better solution than the Inferno 1.1 patch proposed by Soundwave.
I have no wish whatsoever to outnumber my opponent, so I'd be quite happy with your solution.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#116 - 2012-06-19 04:21:30 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Especially once they've had the game rebalanced in their favour by removing free defensive allies eh Tippia. Apparently it wasn't "fair" that defenders could build a coalition of defensive allies against a much larger attacker.
Good thing, then, that they're not disabling or disallowing that. All they're doing is removing the “something for nothing” oversight in the mechanisms involved.

Quote:
1st off, you have been told this duping allegation is ridiculous
…aside from the rather obvious likeness it has to a duping exploit.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#117 - 2012-06-19 04:21:52 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
And learn to read, I said I've been a gamer for 14 years.


14 years? My daughter has been a gamer as long as that. Amateur.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#118 - 2012-06-19 04:22:53 UTC
I mean I'm hoping that somehow all wardecs cascade into one superwardec where the only people I can't shoot are the ones in NPC corps (I'd like to shoot them too). It would put highsec into the same category of space that every other place is for me: Hostile- Kill everything.
Freezehunter
#119 - 2012-06-19 04:23:41 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
I also have another idea how to fix this.

Keep the allies for the defender free, but limit them both to the maximum number of attackers.

For example, A is the attacker, D is the defender.
A has 9000 members.
D has, say... 1000 members.

D is allowed to recruit exactly 8000 more players worth of corporations OR INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS THAT SIGN UP ON A LIST SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN THE CALENDAR INTERFACE (brand new idea).

On the other hand, if A and D both have 9000 members, D cannot call in any more allies.

Is that fair enough for you Jade?
Or do you just want to outnumber the swarm 50 to 1 to prove a point?


Its a far better solution than the Inferno 1.1 patch proposed by Soundwave.
I have no wish whatsoever to outnumber my opponent, so I'd be quite happy with your solution.


Now we are getting somewhere.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#120 - 2012-06-19 04:25:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Good thing, then, that they're not disabling or disallowing that. All they're doing is removing the “something for nothing” oversight in the mechanisms involved.


I hardly think you can keep calling it an oversight - I mean, this is the centrepiece of Inferno we're talking about here, are you really claiming that the CCP wardec team put the ally system into play without realizing exactly how it was going to be used (especially as several of us pointed out specifically how it used as soon as the mechanic was announced?)

Are you claiming the devs ignored all player feedback?

Quote:
…aside from the rather obvious likeness it has to a duping exploit.


It has absolutely no likeness to exploits - duping or otherwise, you are just being silly.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom