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An Open Letter to Jade Constantine

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2012-06-19 00:18:32 UTC
Is it really that hard to believe that maybe CCP didn't intend for the new wardec system to enable free, infinite wars for everyone, especially considering that they rather obviously increased the prices to siphon more ISK out of the economy (from both sides)?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2012-06-19 00:22:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Is it really that hard to believe that maybe CCP didn't intend for the new wardec system to enable free, infinite wars for everyone, especially considering that they rather obviously increased the prices to siphon more ISK out of the economy (from both sides)?

No, but who wouldn't love free infinite wars for everyone?

It's just like out here in nullsec. Now if only we could drag in everyone else as well...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-06-19 00:23:15 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
No, but who wouldn't love free infinite wars for everyone?
CCP. It ruins their ISK sink and it rather wrecks one of the key points of highsec.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2012-06-19 00:25:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
No, but who wouldn't love free infinite wars for everyone?
CCP. It ruins their ISK sink and it rather wrecks one of the key points of highsec.

Oh.

Not the goons? I was told it was the goons.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#25 - 2012-06-19 00:25:20 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Well, since you've been so focused on Goonswarm federation you've neglected to consider the little guy.
Imagine I run a shell corp called "Mega Miners" that appears to be a bunch of stereotypical hi sec carebears in shiny stuff.

When you dec my shell corp with "xxxDeathMerczxxx" to go waste some carebears, I can use the ally system to pull my real pvpers, aka the defenders, into the dec. Best part is I can make a dec mutual so that you are forever locked into the war until we're done with you.

Even I think that this is griefing, and that should say something. I don't care about people dogpiling on goons as much as the shell corp scenario.


Hmmm well the example you describe can happen with the 1.0 inferno system, the 1.1 inferno system. Its pretty much the same. As for the mutual situation sure - but then I've taken the position that if the defender gets allies above the the size of the attacking coalition then the attacker can get allies also (hence my proposal).

Anyway on the small corp wardecs - I've said that I'm happy to see escalating ally fees in situations where the defending coalition outnumbers the attackers - I think that goes a long way to resolving your issue no ?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#26 - 2012-06-19 00:26:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Is it really that hard to believe that maybe CCP didn't intend for the new wardec system to enable free, infinite wars for everyone, especially considering that they rather obviously increased the prices to siphon more ISK out of the economy (from both sides)?


Well its a point of view Tippia. And its not the worst theory I've ever heard.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Freezehunter
#27 - 2012-06-19 00:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
No, but who wouldn't love free infinite wars for everyone?
CCP. It ruins their ISK sink and it rather wrecks one of the key points of highsec.

Oh.

Not the goons? I was told it was the goons.


Yeah, Jade "Tinfoil" Constantine would have you think so.

Let's face it Jade.
You sound EXACTLY like the whiners that use a FOTM ship when they get nerfed in a patch.

Only that in this case, CCP nerfed your ability to just mass hire 50000000 corps to wardec a single alliance, which stinks of exploit if you ask me, especially the way you did it.

If someone finds a way to mine 50 asteroid belts per second in a Hulk, it is BOUND to get some CCP attention and get nerfed/fixed as an exploit.
If someone finds a way to wardec a single entity with 50 million other entities, it's obviously broken.

And stop looking at all this BS as a Goonswarm conspiracy, it could be Ivy League, it could be SomerBlink, it could be Chribba's alliance, it could be your alliance, or anyone else getting bullshit dec swarmed like that, not just GSF...

This needs to be fixed to protect lesser entities.

Deal with it and stop being such a drama queen just because CCP nerfed your "crusade", it's getting old.

In this particular matter, I understand the Goons, because they got to where they are by being smart and having an awesome online community, and putting years of effort in.

All you did was make a forum thread where you told everyone to join the band wagon for free.

In a way, you are responsible for this nerf/fix (depends on how one sees the problem, I see it as an exploit fix) with your actions, deal with the consequences now.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#28 - 2012-06-19 00:55:17 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:

In a way, you are responsible for this nerf/fix (depends on how one sees the problem, I see it as an exploit fix) with your actions, deal with the consequences now.



I wish you guys would get your story straight. Either this happened as a result of the Goonswarm vs SF wardec (in which case pretty much all the "tinfoil" is appropriate) Or it didn't - in which case I'm not sure how I can be considered responsible for an "exploit fix".

Really you are trying to have your cake and eat it.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-06-19 00:59:50 UTC
By "in a way" he means "people who abused the mechanic just like you did". Some corps were supposedly involved in 50-70 wars simultaneously, because they dogpiled into every war which was set as open, just like you did. So yes, you are responsible by being part of the problem.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Freezehunter
#30 - 2012-06-19 01:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Jade Constantine wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:

In a way, you are responsible for this nerf/fix (depends on how one sees the problem, I see it as an exploit fix) with your actions, deal with the consequences now.



I wish you guys would get your story straight. Either this happened as a result of the Goonswarm vs SF wardec (in which case pretty much all the "tinfoil" is appropriate) Or it didn't - in which case I'm not sure how I can be considered responsible for an "exploit fix".

Really you are trying to have your cake and eat it.


And what the **** is "you guys" supposed to mean?

Now I know what everyone means when they say that you think everyone is a Goon alt.

I'll have you know that this is my main, I only have 2 ****** market checker alts with 0 training on them on this account, which is my only account, and I am in no way affiliated with any 0.0 entities at the moment, hell, I am not even a member of SA.

This is just my personal opinion, as an Eve player observing all this bullshit drama you are creating, and you sound like a person that's suffering from delusional paranoia.

Feel free to call me a goon alt or whatever the **** else you have floating around in that deluded head of yours.

You're getting pathetic right about now, seriously dude...

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2012-06-19 01:01:27 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Really you are trying to have your cake and eat it.
You can't eat your cake without having it.

There's no conflict between the two: he's objecting to the insinuation that it's getting fixed because it happened to GSF, specifically. He's not claiming that it didn't happen because its use against the GSF made the exploit blatantly obvious, but that's just because it was the first case and if it had been used against anyone else, it would have been just as much of a blatant exploit. The presence of the GSF in the equation is completely irrelevant.

At the end of the day, it's pretty much a duping exploit: your getting something for free that you are supposed to pay a lot for (be it ISK or effort or minerals or whathaveyou).
Freezehunter
#32 - 2012-06-19 01:02:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Lord Zim wrote:
By "in a way" he means "people who abused the mechanic just like you did". Some corps were supposedly involved in 50-70 wars simultaneously, because they dogpiled into every war which was set as open, just like you did. So yes, you are responsible by being part of the problem.


Yeah, this pretty much, I should have said it like that because that's what it feels like to me as an observer.

And as to what Tippia said:

"At the end of the day, it's pretty much a duping exploit: your getting something for free that you are supposed to pay a lot for (be it ISK or effort or minerals or whathaveyou)."

That's what I meant when I said that the goons got to where they are with years of effort.

All Jade did was make a forum thread, then accepted all the free applications that started rolling in.
That is LITERALLY ALL the effort he made.

Reminds me of that old POS dupe exploit that CCP fixed a long time ago, when some people could effectively dupe their moon goo income by abusing a certain POS configuration.
A lot of heads rolled when CCP found out about and fixed that.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-06-19 01:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Freezehunter wrote:
And what the **** is "you guys" supposed to mean?

You're not agreeing with him, so you must be in the CFC, hence "you guys". It's just another of his ways of deflecting a topic off from what's really its core, in this case the blatant abuse of a mechanic, and onto "IT'S THE GOONS".

vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Freezehunter
#34 - 2012-06-19 01:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Lord Zim wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
And what the **** is "you guys" supposed to mean?

You're not agreeing with him, so you must be in the CFC, hence "you guys". It's just another of his ways of deflecting a topic off from what's really its core, in this case the blatant abuse of a mechanic, and onto "IT'S THE GOONS".

vOv


Pfft... thought as much...

That is an extremely narrow mindset to have, especially considering I am not even in any relations at all ATM with the GSF OR any members of the CFC, not individuals, nothing, not even old friends...

Jeez...

Also, I have this really big hate for conspiracy theorists IRL, that just carried over into Eve over the past few days because of Jade's bullcrap.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2012-06-19 01:14:42 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
And what the **** is "you guys" supposed to mean?

You're not agreeing with him, so you must be in the CFC, hence "you guys". It's just another of his ways of deflecting a topic off from what's really its core, in this case the blatant abuse of a mechanic, and onto "IT'S THE GOONS".

vOv

The funny thing is we liked being able to lock so many people into a war...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#36 - 2012-06-19 01:15:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
The whole "it's just a CFC alt" strikes me as just yet another of Jade's subject avoidance techniques. In another thread, he kept trying as hard as he could to derail the thread by pointing out, repeatedly and explicitly, how we supposedly had a wiki page with a certain set of allegations against his person, he even kept giving out instructions on how to find the "proof" (which, of course, was on a "highly reputable site" (not really)).

And now, he's going to keep claiming that everyone against his position is a CFC alt.


Also, didn't he claim you were a GSF alt? Or was that some other insane person?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#37 - 2012-06-19 01:22:36 UTC
Wardec defense allies are now a "duping exploit" ... just wow.

Congratulations guys, you took the cake.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Freezehunter
#38 - 2012-06-19 01:23:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
And what the **** is "you guys" supposed to mean?

You're not agreeing with him, so you must be in the CFC, hence "you guys". It's just another of his ways of deflecting a topic off from what's really its core, in this case the blatant abuse of a mechanic, and onto "IT'S THE GOONS".

vOv

The funny thing is we liked being able to lock so many people into a war...


Yeah, that's another thing...

You guys actually LIKE having so many targets I would assume...

I mean, you made the awesome "Burn Jita" event, you went out of your way to kill people in JITA.

So that's where Jade's logic goes completely off the tracks, he is heavily implying that you want the war to be over, because it's oh so hard for you to operate in highsec, as if neutral market/hauler alts don't exist...

As an internet troll of 12 years, but NOT a GSF, CFC or SA member, even I know you guys enough to tell that you'd like nothing more than to have this war eternally for easy future empire targets.

Jadey boy, you are off the tracks in a big way by implying that GSF wants the war to be over in the first place, the conspiracy thing just makes it extra ridiculous.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-19 01:25:52 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Also, I have this really big hate for conspiracy theorists IRL, that just carried over into Eve over the past few days because of Jade's bullcrap.

I'm not sure he actually believes that it is a goon-led conspiracy, I think it's just a very, very convenient topic for him to use to derail a thread from the original topic, just like when he kept derailing the other thread with "goons have a wiki entry about me where there are some allegations, and the proof is this totally not trustworthy 3rd party website which you can find when googing with these words, and I'm going to point to this in post after post after post until the thread is locked, which is the only way I can win this".

RubyPorto wrote:
Also, didn't he claim you were a GSF alt? Or was that some other insane person?

You're probably thinking of evereplicant. I think Jade just completely ignores my posts because he has no defense against them.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Freezehunter
#40 - 2012-06-19 01:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Jade Constantine wrote:
Wardec defense allies are now a "duping exploit" ... just wow.

Congratulations guys, you took the cake.


Yes, it IS a duping exploit.

What exact amount of time and effort did you put into starting like 70 wars against ONE entity in the game?

You put in the time to make a forum thread, and press your accept ally button, that is all you did.

How is that not an exploit, how is that balanced, how is that fair?

Again, imagine if GSF wasn't your target, but a way smaller corp/alliance.

How would you justify that?

General asshatery?

It is an exploit through and through, when you get 70 corps worth of benefit with basically no investment.

That's like world war 2 not costing anyone any money when it happened, it cannot realistically happen, thus it's an exploit.
It's also like saying that writing 70 war declarations to a single country IRL can be expected to have 0 financial consequences to the declarer.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.