EVE General Discussion

Well, if somebody wanted to nitpick like Tippia he could bring in my example:

- I gun-mined enough minerals that I made all my ships and mods (with NPC bought BPOs).
- I do missions etc. with such ships and the wallet blinks due to PvE fixed bounties. Even totally removing LP etc. the pure PvE bounties are plenty enough.
- I also self gathered PI and self made all my POSes and every structure around the POSes that I use to research the BPOs.
- I can also mine ice for the POS. Even the charters may be bought with LP given by factions my mission alts are at 9+ standings with.

Of course in the actual game I do plenty of market and industry PvP but if I wanted to only play PvE, the game puts in a lot of resources to be completely self-sufficient and thus not need to punch anyone else on the nose.

Which game are you talking about ?
I, too, believe there's no PvP community in a PvE game ...
That *really* makes no sense.

But let's stick to EvE instead of talking about all the crap out there, thx.

(I'm probably a bit too late and haven't read past first 2 pages so apologies if it's been mentioned.)

Well he's no longer working for CCP and the statement doesn't say 'strictly' but as things do so often they get a bit bend.
Anywho, here is a link to a dev blog with amongst others the phrase "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game.".
Link.

This is quite true. But unless you're in station 24/7 and never use the market or contracts or otherwise interact with players while in station, there is always the potential for the pvp element to come into play.

Actually, now that I think of it, even in station you're not safe from pvp. Competition for research/manufacture slots?

I don't have a comprehensive list by any means but Ogame is a pvp oriented mmo that is great for playing afk. Its perfectly legal and unless you want to sit and watch resource numbers accumulate for hours at a time, or watch for 2 hours till the attacking fleet arrives then setting an alarm for when you need to pay attention is fine. Kind of like mining.

Mining sure as heck isn't PvE.

There are other activities such as missioning, or incursions that are PvE.

A totally safe highsec environment would ruin EvE completely, IMO, but right now there's a shift of attention of where the PvP action is, and its affecting things negatively in the community, not necessarily in the market or game itself.

The good stuff in terms of PvP is supposed to be in nullsec (large scale warfare), followed by lowsec (skirmish warfare), and then highsec (for things like wardecs and the like). What happened lately is the PvP focus has been placed on highsec in that this is the type of PvP that's receiving the most forum attention, likely due to the widespread ganking. I doubt CCP expected the nullsec alliances to get bored with their empires and come out to gank in highsec in any kind of organized numbers.

However, you can't say CCP is not reacting. The new mining ships kinda clearly state that CCP doesn't expect this sort of gameplay (ganking miners) to be the "ultimate PvP attraction" in the game going forward.

Let's see what CCP's new ideas do before we do anything drastic.

- L4 rats are spawned on demand, everyone can have their little infinite ISK and minerals source.
- Not everybody live in The Forge. 80% of the planets I surveyed were and are completely empty of anybody's PI. After CCP introduced the NPC tax, people abandoned them in big style.
- Same as above. I quit the game and routinely remove POSes left and right and every time I come back, the moons are completely free to take back in the same spot.





- What you say was true in 2010, when sometimes I found 5-6 manufacturing slots full (out of about 60 in "my" system).
Then the local trade hub dried up, now since Dec 2011 I have never seen 1 slots being used.

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Anyway I see people reading and writing what they want without checking the reality in face.

EvE is indeed PvP centered but the indicated activities are not PvP centered (but PvP side affected at best).

Let me tell in another way: of many MMOs I played, one of them is called Istaria. It's a sandbox game with deep crafting like EvE, in the sense you build everything up, even more than EvE.

The game comes with auction houses, mining (14 craft schools) and the usual stuff.

It's pure PvE, you don't even get a battleground, an arena nothing. It's a PvE MMO as written on the tin.

Yet one of you would define it PvP, because miners in there DO clash much more than in EvE, people empty the NPC spawns (no instancing, no spawned "pockets") that everybody else need.
People outbid each other in auction house and even in "meta professions" (i.e. building houses, the specialized crafters offer services for a fee and guess what, they compete).

Yet that's a classic, older than EvE pure PvE MMO.


So, the PvP definition you apply for everything in EvE, happens even harder in that and any other PvE game, because the very fact they are MMOS puts people "against" each other.

So, there are 2 PvP levels:

- 1 is inherent to playing a multi-player game, even PvE games have competition.
- 1 is inherent to the ability to actively exterminate each other on their avatars / ships and not just by "competing".

EvE has both factors and the EvE gameplay only involving non shooting in face is totally the same of pure PvE games.
Therefore EvE is also PvE, in the most classic sense.

This.

Some will only see black and white when there are so many shades of gray.

Trap! The gun does not fire on its own. For the gun to work, the hunter must see his target, load and aim the rifle, and squeeze the trigger.

Whereas with the trap he goes out in the wild and sets the trap. He is performing the function of trapping here. But once he leaves and heads home to watch another episode of The price is Right, the function of trapping is moved on to the trap itself. His function is now watching tv.

Grasping at air are we?

A bullet leaves the chamber of a rifle at an average of about 1200 m/s. If the target is a kilometer downrange the hunter would have less than one second to switch actions.

Also, contrary to what movies show you, car crushers come equip with safety features that require an operator to stand present while the car is being crushed to prevent any action like the operator leaving the booth and accidentally falling in.

Surely you can do better than this can't you? The concept of the action keeps eluding you so I'll give 2 prime example that are in this thread.




One of these people are mining and one is doing homework. Can you guess which is which?