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Cyberstrike2027
Atlas Capital
#1 - 2012-06-18 14:26:50 UTC
Good afternoon all, you'll forgive me if I'm somewhat out of form; I'm more accustomed to fleet politics than that of the boardroom.

My reason for addressing you today is to challenge the capsuleers of New Eden. Some of the old hands may recall huge projects like the ISS and their IPOs, that swept up everyone in this fine community of scheisters, thieves, entrepreneurs, and pirates.

However, that was far from recent, and right now it seems we're in this huge sandbox and everyone is building the same castles, we seem to have hit the 80's and everyone is out for themselves and greed is good, and as for huge "projects" - in it's loosest sense - we have the Goons with hulkageddon; hardly the same calibre or even in the same league and certainly not something the whole community can get behind.

Thus, we are left with a need for a solution. I challenge the community to create something new; there is enthusiasm to be found everywhere in this New Eden, it just requires something to capture it.
Cyberstrike2027
Atlas Capital
#2 - 2012-06-18 14:53:43 UTC
Perhaps part of the problem lays with the difficulty of raising funds, due to the volume of scammers. So many infact, that it's not even worth scamming anymore; the margins are too low - too many people are doing it. We just need some true innovators to bring something ambitious and far fetched that the community wills to succeed.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-18 15:04:52 UTC
Cyberstrike2027 wrote:
We just need some true innovators to bring something ambitious and far fetched that the community wills to succeed.


Quite right! I'll start by proposing clonejacks with no prior history and no reputation be banned from bothering the IGS with these sorts of posts.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#4 - 2012-06-18 15:15:02 UTC
I would like capsuleers to start sending me minerals so that I can start on this dyson sphere project I've had running through my head.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2012-06-18 15:15:40 UTC
... ha. Um.

Ms. Vitalia's acerbic remarks aside, pilot, what you want is ... kind of difficult to answer. You're challenging us to come up with a challenge-- a popular challenge that can be handled out in the open with full public support.

And not get shredded for a laugh by Goonswarm.

I don't think such a creature exists, or can, at the moment. In order to work these days, a grand design would have to stay quiet. The next great project would probably have to be some grand covert masterpiece that will cause lesser hucksters to throw up their hands in despair.

Paging Istvaan Shogaatsu?
Cyberstrike2027
Atlas Capital
#6 - 2012-06-18 15:23:09 UTC
I beg your pardon, but I fail to see the need for personal attacks; I have no history because I'm a do-er, I don't spend all my time at summits venting hot air about people who have no history of venting hot air!
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#7 - 2012-06-18 15:34:19 UTC
A Chribba project, maybe?

Shogaatsu might be able to do it.

...probably use some of our money too...X



Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Cyberstrike2027
Atlas Capital
#8 - 2012-06-18 15:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyberstrike2027
Aria Jenneth wrote:
... ha. Um.

Ms. Vitalia's acerbic remarks aside, pilot, what you want is ... kind of difficult to answer. You're challenging us to come up with a challenge-- a popular challenge that can be handled out in the open with full public support.

And not get shredded for a laugh by Goonswarm.

I don't think such a creature exists, or can, at the moment. In order to work these days, a grand design would have to stay quiet. The next great project would probably have to be some grand covert masterpiece that will cause lesser hucksters to throw up their hands in despair.

Paging Istvaan Shogaatsu?


I have actually conversed with Mr Shogaatsu many years ago. While I could have mentioned his most infamous scheme, I deliberately left it out as I wanted to convey a tone of a productive nature, to project that ambition and hope that the ISS brought in it's prime.

However, I can appreciate that a big project of the like is extremely fragile and while that bored bunch of geeks are flying around blowing stuff up "because they can" I can't hold out much hope of anything being built that'll attract the attention of the community at large and not those yahoos simultaneously.
Milo Caman
Anshar Incorporated
#9 - 2012-06-18 15:52:32 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

Quite right! I'll start by proposing clonejacks with no prior history and no reputation be banned from bothering the IGS with these sorts of posts.


Congratulations, you've pinned the precise attitude that kills community, community projects and any kind of long-term progress.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#10 - 2012-06-18 15:56:11 UTC
Oh, I'd scheme your collective butts off... if it still felt exciting. I fear I'm in a bit of a funk. A depression, really. It seems the more of these blasted "skill points" I accumulate, the more depressed I become. It feels like... the more of them I have, the less I can do with the sum total of them.

Why don't modern ship designers consult with capsuleers when releasing new models? They give us ships and expect us to adapt ourselves to them, rather than adapting the vessels around their most critical and I dare say, most handsome component - in this case, me? The Legion's power grid can easily support another turret battery, yet excessively conservative shipwrights limited it to six guns in gunboat configuration. I've been lobbying for years to get the Retribution's secondary mid-range bay enabled and powered in the common market blueprint - a small victory I claim full credit for - but there's so much else to do...

I find myself pining for the early days of capsuleering, before those idiotic safety regulations regarding the chaining of six heatsinks together made fitting more than four pointless. You know what I really miss? The first releases of the Tech 2 line. First the interceptors... oh how I loved the Crusader. It felt like it had teeth. Then the Heavy Assault class launched, and I was in heaven! Oh how I relished each skillpoint gained in the pursuit of specialization! I felt like a predator in the Zealot!

I've lost that feeling entirely, to be frank. I feel impotent in our modern day's top-of-the-line. Toothless. It feels like for every advantage these new-fangled ships come with, there is a hobbling drawback. Oh good, you lost your tech three, enjoy the brain damage. I used to be a predator in space, and nowadays every third-rate third-generation puke can match cannons with me simply by specializing in a tiny sliver of my encyclopaedic knowledge, or by bringing a friend. There is no edge to capture. No goal to strive toward.

Perhaps there's your grand venture: create a council of capsuleer shipwrights in the vein of the CSM, but devoted to giving us the vessels we ourselves envision, not these back-of-the-line Sleeper scrapings that fry neurons just as frequently as power relays. Give people like me the weapons we desire, and you will make a great many powerful friends.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#11 - 2012-06-18 15:56:17 UTC
The issue, Captain, is that you expect us all to pitch in and help build "something new", but none of us agree on what sort of "new thing" should be done. What is goose is decidedly not good for the gander, and there are very few projects that people could work on without disagreement.

And this isn't even pointing out the tendency for capsuleers to burn things down just because they have the opportunity. Ms. Jenneth is right.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-06-18 16:44:12 UTC
Milo Caman wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

Quite right! I'll start by proposing clonejacks with no prior history and no reputation be banned from bothering the IGS with these sorts of posts.


Congratulations, you've pinned the precise attitude that kills community, community projects and any kind of long-term progress.


I'm sure Cyberstrike and many others would be happy to have your money for "community development." Why don't you go ahead and start donating your personal finances and let me know how that goes.

Working with total strangers on anything involving your own resources is probably the textbook definition of 'gullible."

I've got some lovely oceanfront property on a volcanic world I'd love to sell you, as well.





Sabik now, Sabik forever

Cyberstrike2027
Atlas Capital
#13 - 2012-06-18 16:55:12 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Milo Caman wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:

Quite right! I'll start by proposing clonejacks with no prior history and no reputation be banned from bothering the IGS with these sorts of posts.


Congratulations, you've pinned the precise attitude that kills community, community projects and any kind of long-term progress.


I'm sure Cyberstrike and many others would be happy to have your money for "community development." Why don't you go ahead and start donating your personal finances and let me know how that goes.

Working with total strangers on anything involving your own resources is probably the textbook definition of 'gullible."

I've got some lovely oceanfront property on a volcanic world I'd love to sell you, as well.



We have since addressed this already, given the current attitude of mistrust - such as your own - makes the integrity of public projects tenuous at best. The ISS was created in an era of prosperity, bordering on naivety, and a few people made a lot of people a lot of money before their operation was lost. But now, similarly scaled projects - mostly banks - all seem to have the same fate only a lot quicker, and each sunk hurts the following attempt.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2012-06-18 17:14:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Working with total strangers on anything involving your own resources is probably the textbook definition of 'gullible."


Whereas the textbook definition of "cynic" is probably "One who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing."

... Though perhaps we can add something about one who imputes a con artist's motives to one who has, as of yet, merely mentioned money without ever having even suggested it be provided to any person or entity. At the moment, all I'd feel secure in suspecting him of is wishful thinking.

It would be nice to see some grand project in the works. There have been a few, and not so long ago-- but they all fizzled, one way or another.

I'm not sure that's quite reason enough to say that it's bad to think grandly, though.

Edit:

Make that wishful thinking and trying to produce grand projects vicariously by merely suggesting that it would be neat to produce something grand.
Rogue Integer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-06-18 18:35:46 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I would like capsuleers to start sending me minerals so that I can start on this dyson sphere project I've had running through my head.


It's a shame I fear you'd use it for nefarious purposes, because I'd love to discuss the design and applications of a dyson sphere or similar. Perhaps even a matrioshka brain using the most up-to-date quantum computing technologies.

But you'd probably use it for the glory of your messiah, Sansha. What a waste of human potential.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#16 - 2012-06-18 18:49:59 UTC
Rogue Integer wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I would like capsuleers to start sending me minerals so that I can start on this dyson sphere project I've had running through my head.


It's a shame I fear you'd use it for nefarious purposes, because I'd love to discuss the design and applications of a dyson sphere or similar. Perhaps even a matrioshka brain using the most up-to-date quantum computing technologies.

But you'd probably use it for the glory of your messiah, Sansha. What a waste of human potential.


My lord, every time we talk, you always bring up Sansha Sansha Sansha. It's like you look at me and cannot see anything else.

You think about Sansha more often than most National's do. You should think about that.
Rogue Integer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-06-18 18:53:25 UTC
No, only when I'm discussing matters with you. It rarely comes up outside of that.

But when I see somebody who pledges their undying allegiance to a man you'd like to have the entire cluster follow, including even determining what we shouldn't be allowed to think, then yeah, it's more than a minor aspect of your identity.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#18 - 2012-06-18 19:03:54 UTC
I have never once, in any of our conversations, brought up Sansha's Nation. You do it. Every time.

When you are thinking about the Master more often than the people who want to be his slaves, you should probably reconsider which side you should actually be on.

Anyways, a dyson sphere, or something like it, is going to be required for humanity at some point. I would be happy to discuss the topic with you at some point.

However, you did serve to adequately prove my point about ganders and geese. Thank you for that.
Rogue Integer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-06-18 19:07:55 UTC
Yes, I'm preparing a separate post to discuss large research projects here, outside of the scope of the metaproposal listed above. Rather than focus on scoundrels, thieves, and entrepeneurs, perhaps we can find a way to structure new research that maintains enough transparency that the information can be used by and for all humanity, rather than any single faction or coalition that could use it for Bad Things.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#20 - 2012-06-18 19:13:07 UTC
Rogue Integer wrote:
Yes, I'm preparing a separate post to discuss large research projects here, outside of the scope of the metaproposal listed above. Rather than focus on scoundrels, thieves, and entrepeneurs, perhaps we can find a way to structure new research that maintains enough transparency that the information can be used by and for all humanity, rather than any single faction or coalition that could use it for Bad Things.


The Arek'Jellan project already attempted this and failed.
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