Test Server Feedback

Not being able to drag ships/items to the station window tab unless you have the relevant type set is frustrating as all hell. Used to be I could drag a bunch of stuff there and the ships would go to the ship tab and the items would go to the items tab no matter which was active. Now I have to pick out the items and select the items tab and then do the ships and it's another couple of seconds I won't ever get back because whoever designed this new system obviously never plays the game to any significant degree.

Agree with this. When an item is being dragged and mouse is hovering over the top or bottom 10% of the scroll bar, the tree should slowly scroll up or down.

I have been (mis)using the new inventory for quite a while now, and in general I like it quite a lot and prefer it over the dozens of inventory screens that clutter my entire screen. However, I have been encountering few specific usuability issues I hit my head against often. I just describe problematic use case I encounter and suggest a possible solution, but truth be told I have no clue if those are feasible or whether my solution wont result in other problems.

My observation is that a lot of trouble or annoyance comes from (unintentionally) dragging an item(type) onto the wrong node.
Occassionly I prefer to view both source and destination containers, which is somewhat difficult right now.


Some use cases
I found the easiest way to open the inventory while in station is to just double click my ship in hangar :)
* Awesome now the inventory tree opens, with the ship inventory - makes perfect sense, however, I wish to see my station items.
* Also the tree is hidden
=> Perhaps shortcuts will help?

When I empty a container, specifically a jump freighter, I tend to hit CTRL-A and drag to item hangar.
* Result: all ships remain in the jump freighter and I happily jump to my next destination only to discover my JF still contains the ships.
The inverse happens as well, I (unintentionally) throw items into the ship hangar instead of item hangar and they refuse to move an inch.
=> Altho I am generally not infavor of systems trying to behave too 'intelligent' in this case a bit more intelligence will help I think.
When I throw items in the ship hangar, or ships in the item hangar then my intention is to move from their current container into the station. Make it so?

Now it gets on a slippery slope with regarding to too much 'intelligence' in the system.
I drag a ship onto my carrier
* system deligently tells me the ship doesnt fit in cargo
=> perhaps I intended to move into ship maint bay?

I drag fuel into drone bay
=> perhaps intended to move into fuel bay?

Move ship on top of other ship
=> perhaps intended to move into ship hangar

Move item on top of other item (used to be problem with old inventory
* not stackable
=> move item into parent hangar

Id just like to give my view on the new inventory from a player who plays EvE on and of since 2004.

Id like to first state that i am not jaded in the sense that im "used" to the old things, since i often take breaks from the game.
I also have been spared of fueling POSes in my playtime.

But the new inventory, with tree view, shift klicks etc is ******* awesome. Extreemly easy to jump into and understand for anyone who has ever used a windows system ever before.

It feels smooth, clean and AWESOME.

For the first time playing eve i didnt get e headache on all the damn buttons for all the damn different inventories, drone bays, fuelbays etc... Its just 1 klick to access it all. And if i want to focus a hangar or ship cargo hold, i just shift klick it and i get a dedicated window for it. AWESOME!

Less windows, with more info showned in effective manner.

I just wanted to add some positivity in here for the new system, that has made EvE look mor elike a game and less like windows 98. TY CCP and please keep improving the inventory in this direction :)

The question is:
If it is possible to open new seperate windows via shift+click or some other mysterious sh!t shortcut, WHY THE HELL is it NOT possible to set a selection of new seperate windows as default within the ESC-menue? Looting is now such a fugging bad thing!

And NO!!! Stop the bad work CCP!! Please stop it at once! Stop renaming sh!t, stop to indroduce or change things no one ever wanted. Fire Arrow and his team and focus on performance issues again!

+1

All the points made in makala's post are so very true, and intensely frustrating. Everything takes so much more effort now, where it shouldnt, more time, more clicks, more hassle, and even more confusion.

I am absolutely positive that you can mask the current UI to act like the old UI in function.

Add option to add buttons to get to locations that open as secondary windows.
Always minimize tree view
Show/Hide Isk evaluation
double click new window toggle.
close wreck window after "loot all" etc
option to expand right click menu for ship bays/hangers

all this backpedaling is embarrassing. In the dev blog CCP Arrow asked us to confirm that one window was the answer. on sisi we said no it wasnt. and why. What's going on in Iceland? the week after it was on TQ and the problems started to pour in, what were you thinking? its been long enough that someone with authority over the project should have come on and presented how to do everything faster/easier then then the old UI.

all we have been given is workarounds that are slower and harder to use then the old UI was.

Where is the CCP video showing us how to use the UI?

I think the main problem with the unified inventory is that there are a lot of shortcuts that players don't know exist. Shift double click to open a wreck in a new window, that closes when you loot all for example. When you have things that happen when you click, vs when you single click, vs when you double click, when you shift click, when you shift double click, etc. then the system gets too complex.

They simply need to standardize a way that things work:
Single click changes the focus of the child window.
Double click opens a new child window.
Every child window needs to have a persistence.

Really though, they need to let go of the reins, and just make the UI client side, and let us mod it how we like. Most other games have known for a while that a default UI pleases no one, and never can. Maybe I want the market quickbar to have the info button on the left, so that it doesn't cover the extra text that i added. Maybe i want my wreck container window to simply be the Loot All button. Maybe i don't need a border around every window that simply adds to the limited viewing portal i already have. There are countless other examples that i would change that others would not, and that's the point of letting us mod them ourselves.

He sure did. Even signed it too, just to make sure everyone knows what a super-special snowflake he is.

Jovan Geldon,
Head Window Licker
SniggWaffe

Just let me right-click on my ship to open my drone bay (like I can do with the cargo bay). PLEASE!