EVE General Discussion

Wow ... arguing about the meaning of a definition, although the meaning of a definition is clearly ... defined.
(hahaha that sounds so bad, i like it)

There's always people believing that definitions have some sort of "individuality".
That one doesn't actually *need* to stick to them, ignoring the fact that everybody who doesn't will
*always* cause some sort of confusion (at best) or misuse this for manipulation (at worst. see politicians).

In all my years i have never ever found a single intelligent person arguing about the meaning of definitions,
because these people *know for a fact* that language *needs* definitions and that people *need* to stick to them.

And then there are all these other people ...


Also ... wtf is teabagging ? I don't dare to look it up ...


(edit: added words to make it all sound even worse. Hell, i got so confused now...)

No, I'm implying that you have no clue how GTCs ore PLEX work since you seem to live under the delusion that using them means the account isn't paid for.

In fact, CCP earns more money if people use GTC or PLEX to keep their accounts going.

I'm going to assume you're going to try to tell us that GTCs or PLEXes just randomly spawn out of thin air, and certainly isn't bought by some other player, usually for more real-life money than CCP would get from people just subbing normally on a per month basis, let alone on a per year basis.

Please, do try to tell us this, it'd be awesome.

OP: making up quotes and attributing them to other people is bad, m'kay?

You know, OP, you're the first person on the forums to bring up these issues. I'll have to really consider all you've given me to think about, since no one else at all has ever brought it up.

I did site for much longer and thought about it, and that's why I'm not parroting other people's (in this case your) opinion.

Then you haven't sat down and thought about it for a minute. What are you doing when you're trading? You're competing against other players for the best deals and prices — PvP. What are you doing when you're mining? You're competing against other players for the possession of a limited resource — PvP. What are you doing when you're manufacturing? You're competing against other players for research slots and production slots (PvP) so you can compete with other players over having the largest margins (PvP) so you can make the most profit on the (PvP) market.

PvE could pretty much be completely excised from the game, with ISK being spawned according to new rules, FW-style, and the rest of the game would proceed without a hitch. Trying to do the same with PvP would make the game come to a very sudden halt, followed by a swift implosion as there would be next to nothing for anyone to do (and no reason to engage in any of the few things that might be left).

…and you don't consider this battling over prices PvP? Yeah, you really shouldn't be telling me to sit down and think about it. What you just described can cause far larger losses than even the fierces blob battle.

No. All you do is PvP, because that's all there is to do in EVE (maybe aside from ship spinning, but that will end as soon as you mention the number of revolutions you've achieved).

No, not even then. After all, he's stealing those minerals from under the noses of his fellow competitor miners. He'd have to get his hands on the minerals without ever visiting a belt, looting a wreck, or using the market, and he'd have to use a non-POS, non-outpost, non-NPC-station production slot for his production needs, since he'd otherwise be competing over slots.

Sticking one's male gonads on another's open mouth while they're sleeping. In frat culture, this used to be something you'd do to another dude 'as a joke'. For internet games like Halo, people would replicate it by repeatedly crouching over the face of an opponent they'd just killed.

The dunking must be performed in that order. Hot water, then face. Bonus points for doubledipping.

A player versus player situation occurs only if two (or more) players are in opposition to one another.

For example, when I joined the game, I went to the help channel to ask various questions. The people interacting with me weren't opposing me in any way, but were actually supporting me.

When I buy something off the market, my interaction with the seller is actually mutually beneficial, not antagonistic. They want ISK and I want a ship. We fulfill one another's wants.

Correct.

To clarify: My assertion is that not all player interaction can be classified as player vs player. While any type of player interaction *might* be PvP, there's lots of stuff happening that is based on support, cooperation, or mutual benefit. Me buying something is typically, but not always, a case of mutual benefit. Me shooting you is typically, but not always, a case of opposition.

Generalities, exceptions, but very few hard and fast rules.