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Patrick Estemaire
Cosmic Puppet Theatre
#21 - 2012-06-17 18:37:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Patrick Estemaire wrote:
EVE does have a 'safe zone', it's the inside of a station.


Even in a station you can be scammed.


Bummer for you OP, looks like nowhere is safe. I hear Facebook offers some games.
Korg Leaf
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-06-17 18:59:19 UTC
Whilst reading this I couldn't help but think that the OP was the fastest sperm...
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#23 - 2012-06-17 19:03:31 UTC
i'm not a fanboy of highsec gankers, i've lost a mining ship to them. However i didnt complain about it. i've known since before i even created my trial that people will be real dogs in eve because they can. Thats just how it goes. I'm still probably pretty far on the soft side of the scale. But i know how to eat a loss when it rolls along. Losing the ship is only a miniscule fraction of the challenge. The real challenge is how you get up, dust yourself and get on with it

You can accept the loss and carry on, or maybe alter your direction, stop mining/industrial and move to pvp or find a corp that hides in wormholes or whatever.

I will never accept a perfect safe zone, one day i'll probably end up in null. Honestly i'd like to see thousand ship fleets do battle before i stop playing.

PS are scimitar's in demand much in big fleet battles or are pvp fleets mostly armor? (i can train into the armor version simply enough all i need is a little skilling in armor modules and the faction cruiser 5!)
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-06-17 19:07:19 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Every activity in eve involves PVP. CCP is 100% correct while much of what you put is just flat out wrong.


first off post with your main


Bahahahaha hahaha...

... hahahahahahahahah ha
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#25 - 2012-06-17 19:10:31 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
So, ive spent the last week trying to figure out this statement by CCP

"We don't interfere in EvE Because its is a player driven PVP game"

Right, taken that information in and assessed it, result, you what?

You say that EvE is PvP driven, i fail to see that.

Wether or not people admit it, the majority of ships and ammo are produced by EMPIRE based corporations selling at market hubs. Then hulkageddon comes in, the corps stop mining, thousands quit (which they have) and the prices of everything sky rockets. PvP in null drops off to the point where Null Sec generally is dead and empty apart from hubs where alliance members congagrate like puppies around its mother.

However, there is a massive rise in ganking in empire, the question is why? The answer is simple, guarenteed kill on the KB, concord kills you, that doesnt show up on the killboards and you get 100mil+ of loot from haulers. So why risk your ass in null when you can do it easily in empire? You wouldnt. But the penalty for this action is tiny. So there is no *risk vs reward* factor involved.

So you have mining, npc faction missions, epic arc missions, ded sites, anomolys, scannable sites, pve to the max, my question is this

This is a not a PVP DRIVEN game, it is an all round game and right now we have half the player base trying to make the rest of the playerbase (the pve pilots) play as they do i.e *mummy he wont play with me, make him play with me*.

So why do u maintain the fiction that it is? Why do you not PROTECT PAYING CUSTOMERS who have no interest in PvP as a whole and just like to make ISK and have fun THERE WAY.

Why? If you want it to be a PVP game, set 3 systems in each empire as safe zones and make the rest null sec. Force people to join alliances and to PvP, the answer is you can't because if everyone on this server was fighting non stop, your server would fail misrably. Why do you not protect the players who want to play a game they pay for there way?

No doubt this will get trolled by every forum idiot but the point is valid

If you want a PvP game, remove the PvE content, revamp the game and make it pure PVP, stop screwing people over, take there money and laugh when they get ganked for no reason at all other than they have a cov ops in there hauler there moving to there new home.

PvP pilots need to sod off back to null sec and leave empire pilots alone to there own business.

Period.


Congratulations on walking into that wall more persistently and with more style than I've ever seen before.

No, really: you deserve a prize.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-06-17 19:11:55 UTC
Stating that your point is valid doesn't make it valid, just saying.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-17 19:17:35 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Every activity in eve involves PVP. CCP is 100% correct while much of what you put is just flat out wrong.


first off post with your main

You owe me a soda and new keyboard. Thanx.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-06-17 19:18:15 UTC
This is eve everyone vs everyone.



:)
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#29 - 2012-06-17 19:18:58 UTC
I have to assume that the OP is new to New Eden. Welcome to EvE sir. I hope you enjoy your day.

If you don't mind I would like to ask you a couple of questions about why you decided to try this game.

What is because of something like this?

Or was it something more like this?

Just curious.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-06-17 19:45:29 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Congratulations on walking into that wall more persistently and with more style than I've ever seen before.

No, really: you deserve a prize.


Special Prize for a "Special Person!"


I really can't decide if threads like these are serious or if the OP really is that monumentally THICK... I haven't even bothered looking up his corp history, or his killboard history - it's just really hard for me to get this degree of stupid concentrated into one post, without it actually being a deliberate troll.

Do you guys/gals really think this isn't a troll?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-17 19:49:30 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

Do you guys/gals really think this isn't a troll?


It has to be. No one can be that stupid... can they?
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-06-17 19:52:50 UTC
OP doesn't realize EvE stands for Everyone versus Everyone. Every little thing you do affects a player some how.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2012-06-17 19:59:23 UTC
WTS a clue, the OP obviously has none.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#34 - 2012-06-17 20:05:23 UTC
Apparently, only 25% of people start playing EVE for the pvp. That being said, the wonderful complexity of the market, the single-shard, and the variety of activities available means that you will almost always be competing with others for something.

[/sarcasm]
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#35 - 2012-06-17 20:21:26 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
So, ive spent the last week trying to figure out this statement by CCP

"We don't interfere in EvE Because its is a player driven PVP game"


Could you post a link to that statement, might have been one I missed. thanks.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2012-06-17 20:24:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hestia Mar wrote:
In before Tippia? Damn!
What? Is this some new thing? If so, it's deeply unfair since I can never win it. Cry

But congrats on being ib4me.

Aruken Marr wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Do you guys/gals really think this isn't a troll?
It has to be. No one can be that stupid... can they?
Doesn't particularly matter because, yes, people can be this stupid — the OP isn't being more confused about the nature of EVE than people have genuinely been in the past.

Anyway, for the OP:
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
You say that EvE is PvP driven, i fail to see that.
That's only because you haven't bothered to look. EVE centres around a big stonking market place, where supply and demand meets. This market is pretty much entirely run by players who compete — PvP — for getting the best deal for their sales and purchases. This entire mechanism is, as with all actual economies, driven by supply and demand, and thus fed by two different mechanisms-writ-large in the game: industry and combat. Industry provides a constant supply and combat creates a constant demand.

As it happens, these two feeder mechanisms are entirely run by players who compete — PvP — for the limited resources and feeding those resources into the limited production facilities that they also have to compete for — PvP. The production itself is meant to generate (hopefully) cheaper stuff at a (hopefully) faster pace for a (hopefully) better profit margin and higher volume than the other guy. To win that (PvP) efficiency competition, you have to run make compete for — PvP — and use the limited amounts of research slots. The other feeder mechanism (PvP) combat is a bit more obviously PvP since its… well… PvP combat. It occasionally erupts as a result of the aforementioned competition (PvP) over limited resources and facilities.

Besides this, there are a few other PvP activities such as exploration (competition over a limited amount of sites to get your holds on limited amounts of fancy items to feed into the PvP market), incursions (competitions over getting the most “win points” to collect the grand prize for a site and/or the entire incursion), missions (competition over loot and salvage, and over getting that completion item), ratting (competition over a limited amount of rats, especially the high-end ones), and so on.

Granted, some are border-line cases, such as mission, where you are ensured some compensation, but that's largely in the form of ISK that serves no purpose unless you pour it into the PvP market. ISK is in fact just the grease of the war economy, driven by combat, fed by competitive industry. Even so, the apparent PvE stuff in the game isn't really PvE at all — it's you harvesting resources in competition (PvP) with other players.

So, if you can't see how EVE is a PvP-driven game, I would suggest that you look a bit further than the login screen — it's quite obvious if you look at the rest of the game…

Anyway, as to your actual question: they aren't protecting paying customers because it's not their job to do so (what with the game being entirely PvP-driven and all, which is a fact) — it's up to the individual player to provide his own protection against the full-PvP environment he's in using the tools the devs have provided.

Nyreanya wrote:
Apparently, only 25% of people start playing EVE for the pvp. That being said, the wonderful complexity of the market, the single-shard, and the variety of activities available means that you will almost always be competing with others for something.
…and by the same token, PvE is less important for drawing people in than the Mac client is. Blink
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-06-17 20:24:47 UTC
Nyreanya wrote:
Apparently, only 25% of people start playing EVE for the pvp. That being said, the wonderful complexity of the market, the single-shard, and the variety of activities available means that you will almost always be competing with others for something.


64% chose to play for the single-shard aspect, 54% for the player-driven economy and 44% for the "impact that players can have on the universe." So yes, I'd say that more than 25% chose EVE for the PvP aspect of the game, even if they don't fancy any violence in space themselves.

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Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
#38 - 2012-06-17 20:24:52 UTC
Ughh not this topic again..
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#39 - 2012-06-17 20:34:06 UTC
Patrick Estemaire wrote:
I hear Facebook offers some games.


Not in the slightest.

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#40 - 2012-06-17 20:45:29 UTC
Thousands have quit? Oh wait, no they haven't. EvE is a PVP game. PVE/industrial stuff is just a means to continue PVP. If all the industrialists quit eve today, the game would still go on. Someone doing pvp would use their half assed skills to produce something. If the PVPers quit, I don't see industrialists coming out in droves for PVP. I can respect what industrialists do but quit whining when your stuff gets blown up. That's the point of the Game. EvE = Everyone vs Everyone