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@CCP : Do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1

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Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#361 - 2012-06-18 20:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyle Myr
Jade Constantine wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:

I'll keep this simple - weaselior is one of our directors. He's repeatedly asked for you to demonstrate some form of concrete proof that you're hurting us at all. He's also posted our monthly technetium income as a formula on this forum, so if you use the few billion ISK damage we don't reimburse as 'proof', that's fairly easily refuted. Same for posting war record losses - Goonfleet has lost plenty of actual 0.0 wars, let alone empire wars, by the 'isk war' metric, and other, more tangible metrics (taking space, causing opponents to collapse).


Yes but so easily you forget the "humiliation of the great leader" metric which can be measured in knuckleposting tweets. This is obviously not a war that has anything to do with isk otherwise I suspect I wouldn't have been able to earn 8.7 billion isk in 4 days while being hunted by the "ministry of love" in their 3 stealth bombers.

You are collectively "hurt" when "pubbies" laugh at you.
"pubbies" have been laughing at you.

Hence you do kinda lose.


From twitter:

The Mittani ‏@TheMittani
"A Plea for Rationale in the System of Natural Consequences" ok buddy happy to help: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13674431 #tweetfleet #eve online

I'm sure he's very humiliated. If such a thing as the Ministry of Love existed, I'm sure they'd all feel bad as well.

e. Forgot to ask, a 'friend' of mine saw your website earlier in this thread and was thinking of applying for a position in your corp. Would my 'friend' be better off submitting logs of 'her' experience in .txt, .doc, or .rtf formatting? This is important, please help.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#362 - 2012-06-18 20:11:17 UTC
Sixx Spades wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Yes but so easily you forget the "humiliation of the great leader" metric which can be measured in knuckleposting tweets. This is obviously not a war that has anything to do with isk otherwise I suspect I wouldn't have been able to earn 8.7 billion isk in 4 days while being hunted by the "ministry of love" in their 3 stealth bombers.

You are collectively "hurt" when "pubbies" laugh at you.
"pubbies" have been laughing at you.

Hence you do kinda lose.

I can have whatever the hell you're smoking? I want to get stupid for a while and maybe sleep better at night. It's so meta, it blows my god damn mind.

All newbees should read this so they can learn.

Don't be like that pubby.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#363 - 2012-06-18 20:11:23 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
And winning a war against you guys puts the icing on the cake.


Yeah, your alliance is visibly winning a war against us, with all that space you've taken.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#364 - 2012-06-18 20:13:28 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
And winning a war against you guys puts the icing on the cake.


Yeah, your alliance is visibly winning a war against us, with all that space you've taken.

he's talking about the empire war, where you win by running more missions than the enemy

Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#365 - 2012-06-18 20:14:46 UTC
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
And winning a war against you guys puts the icing on the cake.


Yeah, your alliance is visibly winning a war against us, with all that space you've taken.

he's talking about the empire war, where you win by running more missions than the enemy


Oh god I'd surrender that war.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#366 - 2012-06-18 20:15:18 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
And winning a war against you guys puts the icing on the cake.

Yeah, your alliance is visibly winning a war against us, with all that space you've taken.

Is it time for the swarm to move to somewhere else since we've lok Deklein to th highsec attackers? :shobon:

I've packed up my free rifters and my first blackbird !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#367 - 2012-06-18 20:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Weaselior wrote:

I don't think angryposting up a storm in multiple threads complaining about your exploit being nerfed and being so angry you write an article that is long pointless and crazy even by en24 standards qualifies as laughing, but see above re: believing own propaganda


Thats because you lack the objectivity to look from behind the goon-coloured shades Weaselor - public opinion is profoundly against the 1.1 wardec changes and considers the Goons (and TEST) were very much reaping what they sowed with the hisec dogpile. Now the mechanic is changing to your benefit you will never again have much credibility telling hisec to "come at me bro" because the answer for the rest of eve's history will be a link to the 1.1 patch notes.

For the record the Eve News article responses are general positive - people quite liked to hear a version of events that was not biased in the CFC favour.

I do understand how it gets frustrating to be in a jabber channel where everyone is saying "omg omg omg jade is so wrong omg" 24/7 and then wondering why the rest of the world doesn't seem to agree with you; but thats common to cult experience throughot 20th century history :shrugs: what can I tell you really.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#368 - 2012-06-18 20:16:04 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
And winning a war against you guys puts the icing on the cake.

Yeah, your alliance is visibly winning a war against us, with all that space you've taken.

he's talking about the empire war, where you win by running more missions than the enemy

Oh god I'd surrender that war.

We did. See, our mission running on highsec is down from random market alts grinding standing to ...

random market alts grinding standing.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#369 - 2012-06-18 20:16:11 UTC
Mittani makes 4 tweets.

Jade hammers out multiple days and pages of paranoid ramblings.

Jade wins.
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#370 - 2012-06-18 20:17:27 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
public opinion is profoundly against the 1.1 wardec changes


citation needed
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#371 - 2012-06-18 20:19:00 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:


I'm sure he's very humiliated. If such a thing as the Ministry of Love existed, I'm sure they'd all feel bad as well.


I'm still waiting for everyone to realize that the Ministry of Love is simply one of Dear Leader's great twitter trolls and not actually a thing.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#372 - 2012-06-18 20:21:44 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Thats because you lack the objectivity to look from behind the goon-coloured shades Weaselor - public opinion is profoundly against the 1.1 wardec changes and considers the Goons (and TEST) were very much reaping what they sowed with the hisec dogpile. Now the mechanic is changing to your benefit you will never again have much credibility telling hisec to "come at me bro" because the answer for the rest of eve's history will be a link to the 1.1 patch notes.

We'll merely have to agree to disagree, as your reality and the reality of everyone else posting in this thread are irreconcilable. I congratulate you on having the mental toughness to maintain your own reality, and wish you all the best in your future endevors.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#373 - 2012-06-18 20:23:03 UTC
also jade i must regrettably inform you that the extent of jabber conversation about you is someone c/ping one of your greatest hits into jabber once a day and everyone laughing, then going back to discussing something important

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#374 - 2012-06-18 20:25:47 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Thats because you lack the objectivity to look from behind the goon-coloured shades Weaselor - public opinion is profoundly against the 1.1 wardec changes and considers the Goons (and TEST) were very much reaping what they sowed with the hisec dogpile. Now the mechanic is changing to your benefit you will never again have much credibility telling hisec to "come at me bro" because the answer for the rest of eve's history will be a link to the 1.1 patch notes.

We'll merely have to agree to disagree, as your reality and the reality of everyone else posting in this thread are irreconcilable. I congratulate you on having the mental toughness to maintain your own reality, and wish you all the best in your future endevors.


I'm sure you made a small error in your posting there and by "everyone else" meant "CFC posters" right. Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#375 - 2012-06-18 20:26:45 UTC
This thread is out of control.
Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#376 - 2012-06-18 20:27:54 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm sure you made a small error in your posting there and by "everyone else" meant "CFC posters" right. Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small.

I guess that's true if you assume that everyone who's not of your opinion is actually a CFC alt

Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#377 - 2012-06-18 20:28:32 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
This thread is out of control.



I think its turned into a war between goonswarm posters and the mod team as to whether bad posters are allowed to ignore the forum rules. Hopefully the mods will win.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#378 - 2012-06-18 20:28:56 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Thats because you lack the objectivity to look from behind the goon-coloured shades Weaselor - public opinion is profoundly against the 1.1 wardec changes and considers the Goons (and TEST) were very much reaping what they sowed with the hisec dogpile. Now the mechanic is changing to your benefit you will never again have much credibility telling hisec to "come at me bro" because the answer for the rest of eve's history will be a link to the 1.1 patch notes.

We'll merely have to agree to disagree, as your reality and the reality of everyone else posting in this thread are irreconcilable. I congratulate you on having the mental toughness to maintain your own reality, and wish you all the best in your future endevors.


I reject everyone else's reality, and substitute my own.



Fixed that for you.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#379 - 2012-06-18 20:29:05 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Guys, before this goes on any further, kindly take off the hats and get real - we do not develop with one corp or alliance in mind...



CCP SoniClover wrote:
Regarding the war dec system changes being some goonswarm conspiracy - all of these changes were decided (and most implemented) long before this particular goonswarm war even started. Do you really think we add new stuff a few days before a release just because of one war?

Regarding defenders now being defenseless, etc. This change will make it a little bit more difficult to defend, but what we have to do is strike a balance between defender options and incentives to declare war. We can give defenders all kinds of shiny new tools to defend themselves, but if they result in nobody declaring war anymore, then why bother? Yes, we want the system as a whole to have more consequences, but that cuts both ways.


it's amazing that despite two devposts blatantly shooting your conspiracy theory out of the air, you're still pushing it

don't you feel bad

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#380 - 2012-06-18 20:29:48 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:
I'm sure he's very humiliated. If such a thing as the Ministry of Love existed, I'm sure they'd all feel bad as well.

I'm still waiting for everyone to realize that the Ministry of Love is simply one of Dear Leader's great twitter trolls and not actually a thing.

I'm gonna need to ask you for a citation on this "ministry of love"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?