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Arcticblue2
Nordic Freelancers inc
#21 - 2012-06-17 09:04:57 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Being ganked sucks. You'll get nothing but sympathy from me.

Anya Ohaya wrote:
Not sure if trolling.

I wouldn't put 30 million in a T1 hauler.

He said 300 million.

Collateral?


I would definitly not use a normal hauler for 300 million knowing I could be suicide ganked... have once lost roughly that myself in a suicide gank but is now using my freighter and nobody is going to suicide gank it for 300 million only ... 1 billion yes maybe but not for 300 million it would be a loss.
Spectre80
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-06-17 09:52:15 UTC
Arcticblue2 wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Being ganked sucks. You'll get nothing but sympathy from me.

Anya Ohaya wrote:
Not sure if trolling.

I wouldn't put 30 million in a T1 hauler.

He said 300 million.

Collateral?


I would definitly not use a normal hauler for 300 million knowing I could be suicide ganked... have once lost roughly that myself in a suicide gank but is now using my freighter and nobody is going to suicide gank it for 300 million only ... 1 billion yes maybe but not for 300 million it would be a loss.



i think you just made yourself a target, knowing type of players who play this game they will come and gank it just to prove you wrong, laugh and make fun of you. eve online is griefers paradise.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-17 10:18:16 UTC
Train into a blockade runner.

Never care about gatecamps again.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-17 10:26:15 UTC
It would be a problem is there were no solutions. However there exists Freighters, Orcas, transport ships and courier contracts so that someone else takes the risk. If you were to ask 1,000 EVE players if it was a good idea to haul 300m in a t1 industrial 999 of them would laugh in your face. Every group has its own town dunce who is just dumb beyond repair, in this case it is you dear OP.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#25 - 2012-06-17 10:34:52 UTC
AnJuan Jackson wrote:
I thought I'd ask people who might hear proposed ideas and theories on what CCP might or could do to solve the problem. I don't haul often, but when I do I tank out my mammoth and start concentrating on getting through high sec. I make 20 jumps or so without problem, get distracted for 60 seconds and BAM, suicide ganked at the gate, 300 mill loss.


I can solve your problem: don't put 300 mill of valuable loot in a slow, clumsy, paper-tanked hauler.


Glad to help. Any other problems you got, just ask.

What's that you say? Oh yeah, the Prowler is the ship you're looking for.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#26 - 2012-06-17 10:54:28 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
AnJuan Jackson wrote:
^ Constant griefing in high sec through suicide ganks. I don't know whether this is considered by most people as an exploit to the Concord crime system, but it seems silly that a pirates can abuse players in high sec for months / years and still be allowed in high sec... that makes no sense in any legal penalty system I can think of.

Good news for you, they aren't allowed in High-sec if thier sec status is low enough
Bad news for you, theres nothing stopping them from making an alt in a catalyst with a clean sec status
Also more bad news, If you happen to live near a low sec system they can jump in and quickly gank you, but they have to be quick



Bad news for you: your knowledge of game mechanics is deficient.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#27 - 2012-06-17 11:00:24 UTC
I see that you have lost your ship in Niarja. I take it you were traveling between Amarr and Jita, as Niarja is a border system about half way between the two. Cosindering that you're a high sec industrialist, I take it you pass through that system often. Now, this probably escaped you but the presence of at least 20 ships on that gate at any given time, most of which have negative standing and/or bounties, coupled with the presence of hauler wrecks and frigates salvaging them, coupled with the fact that it's a .5 system should be enough to set off a few light bulbs.

Well... better luck next time. I have made quite a lot of pocket change in that system ninja'ing wrecks like yours. Gotta be fast though, scavangers everywhere.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#28 - 2012-06-17 11:04:38 UTC
Ganked in Niarja carrying cargo that's worth more than the ships it takes to blow up the hauler carrying it. That's new.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#29 - 2012-06-17 13:30:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
Oh, hi OP. You must be new here. Don't worry, we'll take good care of ya.

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-06-17 15:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
AnJuan Jackson wrote:
^ Constant griefing in high sec through suicide ganks.


If you find you are being griefed you can petition the CHARACTER and CCP will take appropriate action.
Just show CCP the multiple killmails or logs of the one character that is preventing you from playing the game.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#31 - 2012-06-17 15:18:22 UTC
Just a tip, EVE does has sound, yeah yeah I knowRoll.

Anyway, if you turn that sound on while traveling, you know when you're about to drop out of warp. That should be the moment you focus back on your traveling, jump through gate, warp to next, do something in between if possible.

The only problem you have is not suicide ganks but that you're not fully committed to fly with your eye on the money basket.
Somehow you still expect that high sec is 'save'. Guess what it isn't.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#32 - 2012-06-17 15:19:03 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Good news for you, they aren't allowed in High-sec if thier sec status is low enough


They're able to /enter/ hisec, they just have to be fast enough to evade faction navies.


Which makes ganking haulers somewhat tricky.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#33 - 2012-06-17 15:20:59 UTC
AnJuan Jackson wrote:
Just saying... and I think a lot of people will agree is there is at least 1000% more stress put on people just playing the game without PVP in mind then gate campers who get a set up and their days of worry are over. A nice tech II ships, some faction gear, and they'll be set for life.

1000% more stress?

Why would anybody play an open-world PVP game without PVP in mind? That seems like it would damned sure induce the stress you mentioned. But I think the cause of this effect eludes you.

Why should gatecampers be stressed when they are playing the game by the rules and there are plenty of people like you who are more than willing to put 300M isk into a cardboard box? Those gatecampers are an incinerator, and you piloted a cardboard box through it.

I bet you used Warp Core Stabilizers. Even if not, by piloting 300M in cargo in essentially a flying jet can and going AFK you pretty much got what you had coming.

Protip: CONCORD is not here to save you. They are here to provide a deterrent.

Deterrents don't always work.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-06-17 15:22:00 UTC
I guess the day when trading/building in high sec becomes less interesting than in low/null sec, ganking problem will be solved for ever.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#35 - 2012-06-17 15:22:42 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
Ganked in Niarja carrying cargo that's worth more than the ships it takes to blow up the hauler carrying it. That's new.

Not really, ex corpy flew a year ago to Jita in an empty hauler to pick up stuff, afk.
Hauler never made it.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#36 - 2012-06-17 15:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Tanya Powers wrote:
I guess the day when trading/building in high sec becomes less interesting than in low/null sec, ganking problem will be solved for ever.

Trading and building in high-sec should already be less interesting than in low/null.

That nothing seems to pry the veil of safety from the turgid hands of the permanent high-sec cripples does not make hauling in high-sec "interesting." Clearly, as the OP's anecdote relays, it typically is not more profitable than low/null, either.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#37 - 2012-06-17 15:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ituhata Saken
masternerdguy wrote:
AnJuan Jackson wrote:
Probably so we can all buy more plex. Makes sense from a marketing standpoint. Well, I'm not falling for it =p


Take your tinfoil off.

Suicide ganking has been around and approved since long before PLEX existed.


But how long since you were able to trade GTC's in the bazaar?

EDIT: in the same breath, I wonder what would happen to armored cars full of money if the guards ran into dunkin donuts to get coffee or a roadside bathroom to take a dump. You got money on board? Might want to pay attention.

So close...
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#38 - 2012-06-17 15:31:03 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Virgil Travis wrote:
Ganked in Niarja carrying cargo that's worth more than the ships it takes to blow up the hauler carrying it. That's new.

Not really, ex corpy flew a year ago to Jita in an empty hauler to pick up stuff, afk.
Hauler never made it.


Was the sarcasm in my post not evident enough? Apologies for that, I'll make it more obvious next time Lol

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-17 15:44:28 UTC
AnJuan Jackson wrote:
People who hang out all day at a gate waiting for a target to make a quick profit


Not sure that can be called a quick profit, tbh
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-06-17 16:25:15 UTC
Posting on a thread that's pretty much the same as all the other whine thread.

PS: To OP, if your forum search link is broken, you can post in the issues subforum.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave