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How useful is a PLEX to a new player?

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Razzaar Tarlson
Fonking Bros Holding
#1 - 2012-06-16 23:12:27 UTC
So, I'm a total noob, I started playing about a week ago, and I'm currently sitting on a comfortable 30mil doing merry level 2 security missions in my shi- innocent cormorant, and I'm getting by, slowly earning money. I looked on the Google, and a few people have suggested PLEX as a good way to raise funds quickly for a new player, to sort of give them a boost in the world.

But of course, the problem is that you have to spend time training skills, so when I would sell a PLEX for 500mil (or however much a PLEX costs) on the market, I might not be able to use that money to its full potential. And also I'm not hugely experienced at the game yet, so I may very well blow the cash on dumb things

For me, I could save up to 60mil or so and get a Drake and fit it for running missions, to rake in the ISK instead of spending hard earned cash from IRL, but of course that takes a fair amount of time,and a Drake is but 1/10 of the total cost of the PLEX. On the other hand, earning the cash might give me valuable game experience, to make me a better player. I'm also not counting out other ways of making money, like trading or mining, but I enjoy running PvE missions, so that's what I'm currently leaning towards.

I suppose my question is the title. How useful is a PLEX licence to a total noob, does the game become £16.99 worth easier? Is money really that important early on in the game?
gfldex
#2 - 2012-06-16 23:26:54 UTC
Razzaar Tarlson wrote:
But of course, the problem is that you have to spend time training skills, so when I would sell a PLEX for 500mil (or however much a PLEX costs) on the market, I might not be able to use that money to its full potential.


Exactly, PLEX are for bad players. You can explodify somebodies ship, sell the stuff that drops and then buy your game time from the very same bad player. Fairly unlikely to happen, but very well possible.

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#3 - 2012-06-16 23:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
It depends on how you look at it, this is how I see it.

If you "cheat" your way into having way more isk that you "should" you effectively rob yourself from a reason to actually play, because all of a sudden you lose the need&drive to get ahead and in EVE that means there's a very real danger of going into "skill training till I can use X ship/module" mode where you stop logging in other than switching skills. Apart from that you effectively lessen the wow factor of all kinds of achievements, your first cool frigate, first cruiser etc etc etc.

This is a long term game and while newbies might wish to have eleventy billion SP and trillions of isk, many older players will tell you that the first few weeks/months were the coolest in the whole game because everything is new and amazing. Don't rush through it, don't cheat your way past it but take the time to enjoy the game as it IS, there is no race to lvl 85, there is no end game.

Again, that's my view on it and I'm sure many will disagree.
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#4 - 2012-06-16 23:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Gianath
Razzaar Tarlson wrote:
So, I'm a total noob, I started playing about a week ago, and I'm currently sitting on a comfortable 30mil doing merry level 2 security missions in my shi- innocent cormorant, and I'm getting by, slowly earning money. I looked on the Google, and a few people have suggested PLEX as a good way to raise funds quickly for a new player, to sort of give them a boost in the world.

I suppose my question is the title. How useful is a PLEX licence to a total noob, does the game become £16.99 worth easier? Is money really that important early on in the game?



Plex can speed things up. With the 450ish million ISK, you can buy a few different battleships to try out different ways of doing level 4's, and fit them up with decent modules and rigs. Trying to rake in that much money in level 2's and 3's would be painful and take a rather long time.

It all depends on how valuable your time is. Working one hour of overtime to pay for the plex saved me maybe 40 hours of in-game grinding with level 2's and 3's, that's a good value in my book and it made the game more fun rather than seeming like a second job.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#5 - 2012-06-16 23:42:10 UTC
If you're happy earning ISK in game, then I'd probably ignore plex. Plex are for when you can't be bothered earning ISK in game.

All depends on if you're having fun or not.

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Razzaar Tarlson
Fonking Bros Holding
#6 - 2012-06-16 23:59:20 UTC
So from what I'm generally seeing, it looks like it might be best to leave the PLEX be, unless I start having issues earning money legitimately.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#7 - 2012-06-17 00:18:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Razzaar Tarlson wrote:
So from what I'm generally seeing, it looks like it might be best to leave the PLEX be, unless I start having issues earning money legitimately.


Yes but honestly, making isk isn't very difficult in EVE, all it takes is some effort to get GOOD at your chosen "profession" and besides that, isk isn't all that important anyway. Many people don't want to put in effort because they're allergic to rational thinking and effort but if you're capable of using your braincells there really is no need for plex. By doing it without those shortcuts you'll probably enjoy EVE and your achievements more meaning you''re more likely to stick around. Easy come, easy go, etc.
Razzaar Tarlson
Fonking Bros Holding
#8 - 2012-06-17 00:37:15 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Razzaar Tarlson wrote:
So from what I'm generally seeing, it looks like it might be best to leave the PLEX be, unless I start having issues earning money legitimately.


Yes but honestly, making isk isn't very difficult in EVE, all it takes is some effort to get GOOD at your chosen "profession" and besides that, isk isn't all that important anyway. Many people don't want to put in effort because they're allergic to rational thinking and effort but if you're capable of using your braincells there really is no need for plex. By doing it without those shortcuts you'll probably enjoy EVE and your achievements more meaning you''re more likely to stick around. Easy come, easy go, etc.


Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely try getting good at what I do :)
Tony Two Bullet
Monocle Madness
#9 - 2012-06-17 01:18:17 UTC
There's a lot of ways to make ISK in EVE.


PLEX is good for those that prefer to use their ISK for PVP or to start a business, or to get off the ground quickly. If you're still learning the game, you can make a lot of ISK with just a little hard work.

Even if you only make 20M ISK a day, in 30 days that's 600m ISK!

Focus on making anything you can each day, and you can make plenty of money.

There's also other ways to make money with a little luck, like our Monocle Madness lottery.

Best of luck in EVE! Big smile
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#10 - 2012-06-17 04:33:36 UTC
The advice you are being given about "developing your profession" is probably meant with good intentions, but as the saying goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

If you follow the Making ISK guide, you'll see that the first option listed is trading PLEX. This is done for a very good reason: every other method involves setting yourself up as an industrialist, mission runner or explorer. These professions take time and ISK to develop. You don't make 20M ISK/hr running missions in a Caracal. It takes money to make money, as the saying goes.

The training books for Planetary Interaction cost around 9M ISK, setting up a planetary infrastructure costs around 6M ISK, then there's more ISK for export fees and so forth. So before you even start in PI, you're going to need around 15M ISK. Obtaining researched BPOs costs ISK. Obtaining BPCs costs ISK. So getting started in manufacturing is going to cost ISK. Every activity in EVE which makes money, costs money. Starting off with a lot of money means you can pick and choose which activities to be involved in: you can head straight for the most profitable activity rather than going through the pain of bootstrapping your industry.

I recommend you trade 1 PLEX for a bucket load of ISK. You will not need to worry about where to get the money for your skills, or the ships you will inevitably lose while learning the hard lessons that new EVE players need to learn. Most importantly, by starting with that large infusion of ISK you can experiment with PVP without having to grind for three hours to fund five minutes of pew-pew.

Once you have traded that PLEX for ISK you can focus on the aspects of the game that interest you, and you can avoid turning yourself into an ISK farmer. As your skills develop, you'll find it easier to make ISK. Experiment with the extensive list of things to do in EVE Online. You'll find at least one ISK-making option that interests you (even if that is suicide ganking mission boats to loot their 500M ISK modules).

Starting the game with 400-500M ISK under your belt will basically "set you up for life". If you just station trade and manage to make 1% per day, you're going to pull in 5M ISK/day. As opposed to the other guy starting the game with 5M ISK from tutorial mission. Who's in the better position financially? Who can afford more PVP?

I say go for it, cash in one PLEX.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-17 08:46:27 UTC
IMO:

Selling PLEX as a new player will spoil the game.
It's also why I'm against those buddy invites who give the player 200 - 300mil after they subscribe.

Why, because when you start with 200 - 500mil in your wallet you won't appreciate the ship you fly or stuff you buy.
You have no sense of value and will burn through that ISK quickly without having a income to sustain yourself.

Seen people do it and thrive in EVE.
Seen more people do it and go broke and quit the game cause it was "too Hard" or "impossible to make money".

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-06-17 10:06:21 UTC
If you start struggling with ISK, I would say go and buy PLEX. Myself I have tried EVE probably 3 or 4 times before my current attempt. During previous attempts I always struggled with ISK and it seemed like a second work to gather ISK to get a new ship or a module.

I started a new account about a week or two ago and this time I was really lucky. I found an exploration site, which for a week old toon made me filthy rich. The amount of ISK available for me has made me enjoy the game much more and I have been playing now non-stop, as I dont have to worry about _earning_ money like in real life. I can finally just enjoy EVE.

Just my humble opinion and experience of EVE since 2009 (and never getting past 1mil SP).
Denarus Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-06-17 13:52:50 UTC
If you end up buying plex redeem them in Jita and

DON'T MOVE THEM OUT OF STATION

sell for 1m above the lowest price

DOUBLE CHECK PRICE YOU ENTERED

then go do something else for an hour while it sells

PEWPEWPEW

Reicheck
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-06-17 14:00:53 UTC
Make sure you do all the tutorials. I believe there are 3 sets of tutorial agents for each faction. Do as many as you want and you will come out with ships, isk, and some skill books.

Many of which you can sell.

Train the basic skills the tutorials require and then start on cybernetics.
Train cybernetics to the level of implant you want to use.
Attribute implants go up to +5, that are available on the market. They're expensive.
This is why you might want to buy plex on the EvE website and sell it in game.

Also some of the skill books are pretty expensive.

Injecting +5 implants might be a bad thing though. Many people fall into a rut with those implants. You become afraid to undock and do things that may result in you getting podded and losing those implants.

So, ymmv on how useful that plex will be.

Regards.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#15 - 2012-06-17 16:57:16 UTC
Denarus Arran wrote:
If you end up buying plex redeem them in Jita and

DON'T MOVE THEM OUT OF STATION

sell for 1m above the lowest price

DOUBLE CHECK PRICE YOU ENTERED

then go do something else for an hour while it sells


Check what the spread between buy and sell is first.

If you can sell to a buy order, you won't pay a broker's fee. Which will likely be 4 to 5 million for you. So if the spread is less than that, sell to the buy order, and you'll end up with more ISK.


As with all things in Eve, check the numbers.

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Zoyx Ruhroh
A-OK Logistics and Fabrication
StoneGuard Alliance
#16 - 2012-06-17 22:32:57 UTC
I took the buddy invite and am glad I got the large isk to sit on as a noob. Right now I'm not interested in the isk rat rac nor losing this nest egg on a big ship or fitting. My biggest purchases have been skill books.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#17 - 2012-06-18 09:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jax Bederen
I started playing again about 2 weeks ago after playing about a month last year. So far I made a bit over 300 mill, granted I already had a BC so that helped move things along, you however are not to far from one. Roughly 40 mill plus gear. So what I have done is basically l3 missions, focused on good dps so things move along nice and fast.
Invested into a cruiser equipped with 2 tractor beams and 4 salvagers with a speed of around 2k/s. So run a mission, go back and clean everything real fast. You don't need to get your salvage skill up very high either considering you would be using 4 at a time, level 3 skill will do. Invest a few points into rig building(Rigs for hulks seem to sell well for some reason, ehem). And a few points into efficiency in material usage, I also added some for mineral extraction since even many meta 4 items sell better for raw minerals. So there, multiple incomes. Basically store the loot in the hanger, buy a cargo hauler and once a day sell it at a main trade hub, while reprocessing and building rigs here and there.

Really the goal is to get to l4 missions to support whatever your going to do, but get the skills first or you will be taking forever to kill anything. In two weeks I'll pick up a BS to make some more isk and start being murdered in low sec on disposable ships , so make a plan and chug along. In the end forget the plex and make sure you have the skills first.Good luck!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-06-18 10:57:37 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
It depends on how you look at it, this is how I see it.

If you "cheat" your way into having way more isk that you "should" you effectively rob yourself from a reason to actually play, because all of a sudden you lose the need&drive to get ahead and in EVE that means there's a very real danger of going into "skill training till I can use X ship/module" mode where you stop logging in other than switching skills. Apart from that you effectively lessen the wow factor of all kinds of achievements, your first cool frigate, first cruiser etc etc etc.

This is a long term game and while newbies might wish to have eleventy billion SP and trillions of isk, many older players will tell you that the first few weeks/months were the coolest in the whole game because everything is new and amazing. Don't rush through it, don't cheat your way past it but take the time to enjoy the game as it IS, there is no race to lvl 85, there is no end game.

Again, that's my view on it and I'm sure many will disagree.



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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#19 - 2012-06-18 11:17:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
This. Nothing will destroy your eve experience quicker than rendering all your attainable goals meaningless.


People who have "make ISK" as a goal rather than a means to their goals are playing a very poor version of EVE Online.

You need to pick better goals.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-06-18 12:12:30 UTC
Depends on what you wanna do.

If you are going into PVP, then PLEX are a way into losing more ships than you need to because you lack proper motivation to manage your resources. I think that losing ships and the resulting hurt to your wallet is a big part of 'the kick' that comes with PVP. Also, remember that bigger isn't better ;)

If you are lokking to get into Trading or Manufacturing, then a little money to kickstart your business might be a good idea. When i started manufacturing one and a half year ago, i sold two PLEX for a nice bit of starting money. I haven't bought a PLEX since, not for ISK and not for the account. With the extra ISK injection from the two PLEXes i was able to get my business to a level where it could pay for my account. And then some.


Whatever you do, once you find yourself buying PLEX for ISK on a regular base, you are doing something wrong.

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