EVE General Discussion

That's great that you don't accept facts, but it doesn't really change them. Seriously, try it with gravity, tell me how that works out.

If people are going to hire themselves out as mercenaries, there has to be a reason for selection. Otherwise, we get the exact situation we have now - absolutely no reason to choose who to take on as allies. It wasn't a particularly bad situation - no better or worse than before, where careful use of the corp wallet let you have cheap wardecs. It would have made things more simple, logistically, for trade hub campers. But if the purpose of the ally system was to create a marketplace for hired soldiers, it failed miserably. Going back to the old system wouldn't fix this either, since the idea of hired mercenaries didn't work back then either.

If CCP wanted to achieve the goals laid out, something would have to change. Whether you think that goal is worth achieving is up in the air - I doubt there will ever be a truly functional mercenary market without some sort of accountability backed by the mechanics, or at least a sort of actual 'market' in game, but that's my opinion. But at the very least, it's a step in the right direction.

Welp, all out of serious posts for the day. Gonna have to fall back on my collection of tired memes and 2/10 trolling.

If you were in game before CONCORD existed, well, I don't think you would see any merit in it whatsoever.

You mean making fun of what almost everyone in hisec who post on forums does?

Yeah, 1/10 was better than that, which would have been -1/10.

Making fun of something that takes five minutes of skilling and **** money to make is not even taking candy from children, its taking it from the floor when the child drops it on purpose.

I wasn't, so whatever.

I do play long enough to know the wardec was broken. It was fixed, with a few kinks to iron left, and now its going to be broken again.

That I care about.

I already explained how I see it as broken. I do not care about fairness, I do not care about balance. I care about the tools in the sandbox being broken.

I am just going to tell you one exploit this new system will encourage:

1) Corp A gets wardec from Corp B/Alliance B

2) It wants to call over 10 allies, but it is too expensive because of new system it will cost 10 billion.

3) I gather my allies and create a shell alliance for 1 billion isk.

4) Alliance comes as ally for free.

5) Corp A makes war mutual

6) Corp B gets a request to end war for 2 billion after it gets ass handed to it

7) Corp A makes a 1 billion isk profit, pays each ally 100 million.

8) Alliance laid dormant with holding corp.

9) Next time, its all profit

Tell that is not worse than pre-inferno wardec shield?

So what Jade wants, is still in place. Except now it requires the creation of a fake alliance at a reasonable price. It fixes nothing, creates problems, discourages wardec, discourages merc hiring, discourages epic pew pew in Empire.

Yeah, Jade lacks creativity, and maybe even the accusation that he wants free allies is correct, but as I already said, all this "Goons v Jade" crack is keeping people from seeing the ACTUAL broken part of this mechanic.

Now, I am all for charging for extra allies, but not 5 billion every two weeks for the 10th ally. Not trillions beyond that. That is just a prohibition not the same as "expensive" or "hard" but actually prohibited. That is breaking meachanics.

You can't say it's a fact that these changes actually help the mercenary market, because it's too early to tell - the changes haven't been implemented yet.

It will be bad because it limits demand. Its simple economics.

If 10 companies are servicing a client, and cannot offer their services, then 10 companies can prop up to replace them. The companies with better services can charge more, the ones with ****** services less.

When you artificially cap the ability of a company to hire employees to meet growing needs, that is breaking them by no fault of their own.

Aside from a few high quality corps, and a few high quality minor players, there is not really a merc role like there is a mining role. It could have emerged, and the tool to enabled it, instead of being tweaked, is going to be nerfed beyond recognition.

Well, all the amazing whining over the changes are great and all, but it was fun to be able to find highsec as a target-rich environment of people that can't leave the war without disbanding their corp/alliance.

Can we go back to that? It would be really nice...

It is now when some people have 35+, 45+ allies.

how does this work?