Warfare & Tactics

Last night, I killed a Rifter.

I cannot link kill mails on these forums, so I will have to spell out the fit for everyone.

HIGHS:

None. Nothing fit here. No guns, no missiles, no salvagers or scanners. Nothing.

MEDIUMS:

1 Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
1 Small Converse Deflection Catalyzer I
1 Small Ohm Capacitor Reserve I

LOWS:

2 Mark I Modified SS Nanofiber Structure I

RIGS:

1 Small Auxiliary Thrusters I

According to the killmail, this fit costs 1,168,464.90 ISK and can be built and used by a 1-day old character.

What is the use of this kind of ship you might ask? It cannot fight, it cannot tackle, it cannot mine, it cannot scan, it cannot codebreak. I will tell you what it is used for. It is used to move moderately quickly in a 20km - 50km diameter circle.

In an Amarr Faction War Complex.

It can generate about 90,000 Tribal Liberation Force Loyalty Points in one hour. This is equivalent to about 18 Republic Fleet Firetails, or about 252,000,000 ISK at 14 million per ship, the current average price. One hour. A day-old character. A 1.1 million ISK ship.

I will leave it to the rest of you to speculate where this is leading.

Say it ain't so, Aldrith?

Broken FW mechanics giving the Minmatar an easy ride? That's been happening since they released FW.

Watch out though or you'll have all their little propagandists on here telling you their supremacy has nothing to do with long-standing (and still unadressed) advantages CCP gifted them.

This isn't simply about racial imbalance. If the shoe was on the other foot, it would be the 24th Imperial Crusade being flooded with ISK farmers that refuse to fight or even fit a decent ship.

This is about FW becoming an ISK farming scheme instead of a PvP arena with tactics and strategy taking the forefront. Amarr systems are not going to fall because of brilliant Minmatar leaders and their skilled followers (I'd be fine with that), they are going to fall because a bunch of noobs got greedy.

The complete lack of incentives for defensive plexing means that nobody is going to take the time to stop ISK farmers such as these. You don't even get to 'fight' their gunless, dual-repped ships unless they're afk at the moment you warp in. When you do kill them, your only reward is 77 LP and a depressing killmail.

It is probably not worth mentioning at this point that many players saw this coming. The moment the changes were announced, voices were raised about the lack of incentives for the losing side and the overwhelming advantages given to the winners once they established themselves. Losers bleed, winners drink the blood and leave nothing left. It does not matter how dedicated a side's pilots are if simple economic factors drive the masses to the easy-mode profitable side.

If the Amarr were winning this war I would be complaining about the same things. I do not want a militia chat full of people who are not actually willing to fight by my side. I do not want to try to lead people who do not care about the outcome of the war itself or the stability of our own systems, instead opting to ignore everyone else as they profit from the real players' hard work.

This is only one part of the problem CCP's changes have created. I can deal with an unbalanced war due to differences in the people on each respective side, but not an in-built system designed to tip the scale once one side gains an upper-hand.

Requiring rats to be dead will not eliminate farming. It may reduce some of the semi-afk farming but people will still put in a few more weeks of training for the amount of isk that can be made with FW plexes. I just don't see this issue being resolved.

PS- There is no such thing as "afk farming". Virtually every person I've ever chased out was paying attention. Unless I'm taking the "afk farming" concept too literal.

What Ewar? You already had CCP remove 90% of all caldari NPC ewar while leaving yours untouched.

And you are complaining about stabbed plex alts? And this comes from militia who:

a) Already has a corp where one guy runs 7 accounts of stabbed atron alts (before plex changes even)
b) Whose 2nd main corp swapped militias to "whore more and better lp"
c) Whose miltiia is all too happy to run all size plexes in incursus and sees no problem with it.

As the offical spokesman for the whole of the Minmatar militia, i can only assure everyone that FW is absolutely balanced and all claims by the OP are false accusations, lies and general evil slavemongering propaganda. There have never been things as "easy rides" for our supreme warriors.

I also want to make it clear that CCP does neither love us nor has ever gifted us any longstanding (and still unadressed) advantages.

Finally i can only say that the sole reason for the latest fails on the Amarr side is their absolute and utter lack of pvp ability. I must give them some credit due to their fearless forum campaign constisting of whine thread after whine thread after whine thread. If they'd just project half of their forum rage to pew pew instead, they might actually have a chance i think.


This message has been brought to you by the honorable spacewarrior Zen Guerrilla, official spokesman for the whole of the Minmatar militia. Everything else anyone else says is clearly nothing but lies and false accusations.

Removing E-war will not fix anything, it will make it even easier Nobody will ever join the Amarr to flood the minmatar sytems plex farming all day. And you know why, don't you?! Because Amarr LP isn't worth ****.
You Tards know that it all broken up but mostly are affraid to admitt it as it all that convient. Amarr FW systems have been turned into a plexing ground for one day's noobs making bils per week.
I refuse to plex or deplex any system until this is fixt and more and more Amarr will see the light. Have fun while it last because in the end this will backfire on you pleasure too.

Aye, it is a problem.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13654322 - dram with no guns
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13672764 - another dram with no guns
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13674090 - stabbed rifter with no guns
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13674091 - merlin with no guns
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13674313 - yet another dram with no guns

On top of that are a bunch of kills i got with similar ships that did have guns fitted but are still very new toons tanking majors solo.

The isk incentive is too high for them not to and shouldve been addressed before making these changes. Kill all rats wouldve been a simple solution to this in plexes and MAY have been all that was required.

At the moment, a 1 day old toon in caldari militia can be linked a merlin or rifter fit and told he can run any site he finds. A newb in gallente militia can be told to run them in a **** fit pve ishkur but can only run meds and majors (in this 50m isk ship as opposed to the 1-4m isk rifter or merlin) or told to stick to minors in dessies if he is a newish toon.

This is basically why caldari are plexing at record levels, zero barrier to entry to practically the highest tier of income. This wouldnt bother me but as a secondary effect they are influencing the occupancy war which is entirely unacceptable if that means station or service lockout.

Removing e-war makes absolutely no difference to this situation what-so-ever. Only kill all rats requirements would address the basic flaws in the current state.

I made a little bit more than 1 million LP last night running plexes for STPRO in dual stabbed frigates. 1 million LP+about 100 mil ISK can also be made by a night of mission running.

If I were Minmatar, this would mean 16 Fleet Tempests. More than 3 billion ISK per night, reliable, constant income without thinking about conversion rates, setting up contracts, market orders, etc. (4 billion with Typhoons, etc.)

"Working as intended."

p.s. you forgot about nexus chip and Rifter cost :)