Market Discussions

The number of market bots is highly over estimated. The number of players doing station trading as their main activity is, on the other hand, under estimated

It should be noted though that people can very well be more persistent and dedicated than any bot could ever hope to be. Station trading in Jita will always be a matter of modifying your orders every 5 min, 24 hours a day if you intend to accomplish anything.
I mean there are less crowded hubs, but of course if you're thriving well there then keep going.
Just keep an eye out for the gap between buy and sell orders, it's usually a slow process when things start to go wrong, you just have to know when it's time to back off and watch what's going on from the sideline for a bit, trying to determine whether the market is crashing or if it was just some guy being incredibly eager to sell his ****.

This makes me sad :(
So CCP can't come up with a more elegant solution to the problem and maybe even make this "FUN" in a game, but guess EvE market is all about ISK and not fun.




This is a case by case statement, since there is no ultimate truth that anything will sell "eventually", simply because if your order sits deep in the queue, new sell/buy orders will constantly flow in. So actually without at least altering your order 1-2 times per day, u have very little chance at all to sell anything.
The next problem is that for competitive goods even if u would change your orders 10 times a day, this only means u have a window of opportunity of 10*5minutes, so the whole day your order was only exposed 50 minutes to the market out if 24h, which greatly reduces your chances to sell more than a few % of your stock.

The best way u can sell stock, without having to camp your orders, are items that have very limited supply, items that have extreme high volume (ammo) or simply by extremely undercutting others, to ensure your order stays on top longer. The problem with the last "solution" is that there will be always idiots, that will follow u and therefor your extreme undercut just is the new price for the moment.

This all ofc mainly apply's to Jita, since other HUBs are way less competitive.

bye Andy

make it legal!

allow us to focus on strategy instead of mindless clicking.

(other solutions such as further restrictions on how often you are allowed to update orders etc would just make the market less efficient and end up hurting the non-traders)

You just stated one of the most difficult concepts to explain about the markets: prices are permanently ranging, at any time frame, even when they trend. Each time frame sees its scale of range: a daily price motion (also displayed with a candle stick bar) is a little RM, bigger time units see much larger ranges. In all of them, your stuff will eventually sell.

This is also the foundation of the now ancient but always actual The Slow Sell System for Lazy Marketeers

lol U crazy =) in a good way.

New guys might get scared when and vet comes about and throws number after number at them, after all this is a game.


For example, you will not like this, but my trading style is to aim for 100M per day, even thought I could make far more then that with the time and ISK I have on my hands =) while others want to fully optimize their ISK to the limit, lots of methods to trade here in eve, the most important part is to relax (try to), enjoy and have fun.

That's a way to see it, but what about those that like the market PvP. The people that have more time to sit and baby sit their orders in order to earn more ISK of the market then the next player?

Shouldn't it be a system for those player to play PvP without the hassle of undocking?
Why should these people have to focus on mission running, shouldn't it be a nice system for that to just run in the background so that they can focus on their trade?

People can say what they want of the market in EVE but claiming that we will solve the problem by automating it for the player base will do more damage to it that it will help.
If the market would let a person to have some kind of FoF function, everyone would trade and the proffesion of trading would disappear.
I would place two trading alt in every hub and utilize every trade order on them. Then I could earn ISK on them by doing nothing, that's sound like a fun feature. Somehow I doubt I would be alone, but apparently there are people out there who thinks they will be...

I'm not entirely sure what to do about it, but I completely agree that there's more to being a marketeer than just keeping on top of the list.. there are strategies and risks you can take, which is nice no doubt. But still it's really tiresome having to find your order in the list and see if it's still on top, and if not, then modify the price. It's pretty much a no-brainer.

One thing I'd really like though is a way to identify your own orders on the sell/buy orders list of a given item easily, and modify it straight on the item market details page, rather than having to swap between market details and your own orders page all the time.. I've had many nightmares about this, it never ends. :(

**** it's been there all along? :P Thanks a lot, makes life much easier for sure ^^

Totally awesome posts.