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Epic Fail in EVE

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Mefune Akira
#101 - 2012-06-19 17:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mefune Akira
I read about the game and watch a lot gameplay vids. I knew what I was getting into.

The one thing I was clear on....don't trust anyone, getting screwed is part of the game.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-06-19 18:26:36 UTC
highonpop wrote:
I can guarantee this is a troll thread.

1 - If you had cancelled your sub already, you cant post on the forums
2 - How can CCP "not allow" that to happen? You joined their corp without knowing them. Blues can shoot blues in this game.


Hmz unsubbing means stopping your recurring payments.

You still keep your remaining game time and during that time you can just post on the forum as any other.

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-06-19 21:25:52 UTC
Haha

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Devore Sekk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2012-06-19 23:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Devore Sekk
I guess lesson (or two) learned from this. Joining a corp is actually "srs bzns". As is hiring someone, as there also lots of people who will join a corp just to be able to shoot at them until they're able to kick him out. The risk goes both ways.

1. Research the corp you are considering joining. Look up the corp in EVE, check out the attributes, the founder/CEO info, as well as any diplomats and contacts listed. Check their kill boards on eve-kill.net and eve.battleclinic.com. Look the corp up on evewho.com, and check out their members. Search EVE forums for posts by some of their members. Do they seem legitimate? If they claim to be miners, but have low sec status and lots of kills of mining barges, or several in-corp kills, that should be a big warning sign. Many corps also have a public channel, which you can hang out in, and join their fleets, so you can "try them out" for a while.
2. Never, ever undock anything you cannot afford to lose. Corollary: never buy anything you cannot afford to lose. If you spend your last isk on the ship and fittings, you're doing it wrong. Slow down. Do things on a smaller scale, while training your support skills, before you jump into the bigger and more expensive ships.

Considering that anyone can shoot you anywhere in hi sec, and suicide gankers abound and will shoot anything they can find, this should be fairly self evident. You could have just as easily lost your precious ship to a ganker.

I also agree that CCP fails again with NPE at introducing new players to player interaction, setting them up for failure.
Taylor Nova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-06-20 15:03:35 UTC
Hi guys, Its been great contributing to this forum, like i like to do in most game forums. But my Trial, Runs out today, and I have decided, That For An Old gamer like myself, The mechanics of this game Is to much to remmember, having had to Buy a folder, and type out all the differant objects I have in both my charactors ships, Plus mountains of info and waypoints i wrote down maually, because i kept getting lost, trying to get back to my system.

But my main reason for quiting, is based on what i thought was an unbalanced mission, impossible for The "Punisher", even fully stacked. Punisher Frigate is The highest level i can use at momment.

Please tell me, if you think I havent tried this mission right:

Mission was to engage some smugglers out of Azban, along with two Cargo freighters, and Loot the cargo of ,I think some mercenrys or bad guys inside. This mission was just a level 1 secutiry job.

Ok, ship was fully fitted wiith 3 turrets With multifrequancy ammo, plus a "ghoul" device which either drains the enemy capacitor or slows them down. I had two Shield, But Wanted a muvh larger one, but ship said my engine capacitor had only 60 of the 120 units left to use it. At the bottom I had an after burner, and a reinforced Fibre Hull Module.

Approaching the 8 escorts and the Cargo Ships, I was a bit disturbed , that they began firing on me at 20km away, taking damage before i was in any of the ranges of my Hybrids which was 9000Metres. The "Ghoul" would only work at 6000M.

At approacing at 9km i had already used half of my capacater, using the repairer and the shields, by the time i was at 1km, i was already getting the alarm sounding. I litterally had enough time to fire a few shots and warp out again. After 1 hour managed to down two of them, but the next half hour, the cargo Ships also fired on me, and in a few seconds My ship was lost. (but 100% insured)

I returned to base and Just had enough money for another one, and to buy all the equipment again, setting off, i was quite angry to see, all the ships were back, all the damaged ones, had been returned to NO damage status, meaning the red damage, had gone, After 3 hours of trying to take 10 ships out, My remaining ship, couldnt support the rate of capacitor discharge and I lost that ship as well.

So. Point is, Why does a level 1 agent send you on a mission, knowing, you have only a small type of craft, to defeat 10 Enemys?? Also, It all the more annoying, that each time I backed away to repair my ship, All the ships I had previoulsy damaged a few minutes ago, were now back at 100%, meaning in reality, I was in a No win scenarioEvil

I feel the balance was extremely poor, and now Im left with only 23300IDKs, its not really worth me going on and spending money on a sub, when the mission level, does not seem to linked to the abilty of the pilot or the Ship he was able to fly.

The Punisher is top of the Frigate range, but fitting a missile turret, i wasted 500,000IDK on,because , when i tried to fit it, even though i have small missile skills. The Ships told me. there are no places to put a missile battery, either because You dont have enough slots, or the ship can not be fitted with them. I took out all the other hi power weapons out of there slots, and tried fitting the missile launcher, again it refused to fit it, so i had to sell it. So, now i buy A higher powerd laser, (medium) another 200,000IDK, Imagine my annoyance again, when it refused to fit, saying my capacitor cant Run that Module.

In the end after nearly 4 hours, I had to cancel the mission, as lost 3 ships, and got disheartened, I done my very best, to finish this level 1 mission, but all was weighted against me, and sadly, Its put me off totally from continuing and upgrading the trial.

Thanks so much for all the help, comments, and what seems to be a a good community, but for me, at my Age, perhaps its more suited to more nimbled minded people who arent drawing there pension yet. Big smile

bye and of course "Live Long And Prosper"

Mike
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-06-20 15:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Taylor Nova wrote:
Long post here.


After 2 weeks (or 3 if you used buddy invite) you should be able to fly more then the punisher.

The punisher isn't always the best frigate. And even with 1 day of training you can fly most of the other (and better) frigates.

Also, Amarr is intended to be an armour tanking ship. It can be shield tanked but it takes bit more skills to do that properly.
And afterburners go into mid-slots not low-slots so likely you had another form of propulsion upgrade fitted but not an afterburner.

"Ghoul" is a nosferatu (energy vampire), which doesn't slow the enemy down, it drains his capacitor to give it to yours.
The downside is you have to be close to the enemy to do that, and in general PvE is easier if you keep at range (long range guns) as NPC ships can't shoot very far.

Also from the look of your post that you used half your cap on the repairer and shield, you are mixing up armour and shield tank. This will never work. Stick with 1, either armour or shield (as said, Amarr usually means armour).

Also, when you move away from NPC ships, like your ship they will repair over time.

The Punisher is NOT top of the Frigate range. Each frigate has different stats, each frigate has a different role / usage.
There is NO top ship in EVE.
You made 2 mistakes fitting it. The punisher doesn't have launcher hardpoints (show info and it would have told you, fitting window also does), so you can't fit missile launcher to it. And you used Medium lasers, which are build for (battle)cruisers.

Sad to see you leave, but EVE isn't just for any gamer. It takes a special kind of person to like EVE.
With EVE you either love it or you hate it.

Hope you will find a game you really like to play.

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2012-06-20 15:51:48 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Taylor Nova wrote:
Long post here.
Lots of stuff too

Just a little correction: Medium Pulse Laser I is a small laser, but the most cpu/powergrid hungry.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-06-20 15:54:46 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Taylor Nova wrote:
Long post here.
Lots of stuff too

Just a little correction: Medium Pulse Laser I is a small laser, but the most cpu/powergrid hungry.


Aah okay. CCP with their weird naming of items.

Never used the Amarr frigates, my alt went straight into cruisers as I could hitch hike on my other characters for quick standings / higher missions.

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Wyld Wulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2012-06-20 18:23:03 UTC
High Sec. Safer, not Safe. - Crumplecorn

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Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-06-20 18:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tevar
ISD Athechu wrote:
Hello everyone,

So this thread took my attention on the grief problems that happened. So I looked into it a bit further and asked around and this is the following answer in what you should do if this does happen to you and what not to do.

If a corporation is specifically created to target Rookie Players (regardless of the system) just to kill them please file a petition under harassment and the GMs will look into it.


Eve sure has changed. Not that I condone griefing... but, I do like the thrill of knowing there are BAD people out there to fear.

I guess I had my hardcore rage / FFA enlightment moment back in Neocron... not sure if anyone remembers that old gem.

Well anywhoo... FFA full loot, doom engine, oldskool Sci-Fi MMO... possibly even still around... although last I heard no one plays and joining is next to impossible due to the failed subscription engine. Anywhoo...

This guy "memo-loves-u" was his name, was a max char and would hunt the noob area, killing and looting us daily. There was no other place to level safe. So that was it, your best tactic was the be faster than your friends at running away while he was looting whatever poor sod got it that day. The guy was never rude but if you talked to him he came off as seriously unbalanced which made things even more terrified... nothing like getting killed and looted of your last equipment and weapons while someone is texting you sweet semi sexual nothings in very broken english... (so creepy)

Eventually us noobz formed an outfit and started re-embersing folks that did get killed, and then we started posting folks naked as lookouts... and eventually we leveled and learned enough to hunt him and repell him and eventually began hutning and looting him endlessly as sport and payback... was brutal and justified.

In the end we actually wound up taking him into our outfit and as we got to know him that crazy German taught us all a very important lesson. Without folks to grief and chase us... Without folks that CAN drive FEAR into your heart... Games wind up dull and grindy... He eventually left us to go back to his gig being Pepper Parks #1 attraction and our outfit eventually wandered off to begin gearing for faction warfare which we never quite got too... but... that memory and lesson remain with me.

Never forgot that... I hope CCP doesnt.

F-ing Wow ruining all things virtual... no matter where...


TL;DR "Griefers" are content, and very rare content at that.
Juanathan Caille
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-06-20 19:35:54 UTC
Yes abuse this newbie some more and make him feel terrible. That'll convince him that EVE is awesome and that it's his loss.
Taylor Nova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-06-20 20:52:35 UTC
Before i lose the abilty to post, Jpol*, you have always been Inspirational in How you put your comments, im grateful for your comments and the others.

Perhaps, it was my fault training two Charactors at same time. What I did was , One day, I would Load 24 hours of traning skills on my charactor, then, go back to RemenScimatar, whos skill tree had finished, And use him in Amarr for the day, Load up his skill tree, And do some missions, Ending session, then morrow morning Taylors skills were finished, and then i would go back to Reman, and start his next training off.

I wanted to have two opposite charactors, same as in Nemisis, One bad ,One good, perhaps because only one could train at any one time, my progress to better ships was probably slowed to a Crawl. As A gallente, I was under the impression you flew only gallente ships, if you were Amarr, then you flew Amarr ships, I believed that was a general rule, that what race you was, indicated that ships of your race could only be used.

I am many many weeks away from training to fly anything like a destroyer, or Cruiser. But still think for a level 1 Job, trying to take out 10 ships that can fire on you 20kms away, was way over the top, even if I had fitted ship differant. I found IDKs hard to earn, to fund all these better weapons and Insure ship 100%. Mining in better Asteriod belts, bought Some unwelcome visitors, but better minerals.

My Corp has sent me details of something called API number and some software called Evemon, which refused to install on my computor , so some of my problems have just mounted, to a point, where I found i was staying up till midnight, trying just to finish 1 level mission, working out what an Evemon was and a key? then losing said mission and the Bonus IDK, cos I
I was already very tired, at that point, but didnt couldnt afford to lose my bonus IDK.

never mind, it was fun while it lasted.Blink
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-06-20 20:57:25 UTC
Taylor Nova wrote:
Before i lose the abilty to post, Jpol*, you have always been Inspirational in How you put your comments, im grateful for your comments and the others.

Perhaps, it was my fault training two Charactors at same time. What I did was , One day, I would Load 24 hours of traning skills on my charactor, then, go back to RemenScimatar, whos skill tree had finished, And use him in Amarr for the day, Load up his skill tree, And do some missions, Ending session, then morrow morning Taylors skills were finished, and then i would go back to Reman, and start his next training off.

I wanted to have two opposite charactors, same as in Nemisis, One bad ,One good, perhaps because only one could train at any one time, my progress to better ships was probably slowed to a Crawl. As A gallente, I was under the impression you flew only gallente ships, if you were Amarr, then you flew Amarr ships, I believed that was a general rule, that what race you was, indicated that ships of your race could only be used.

I am many many weeks away from training to fly anything like a destroyer, or Cruiser. But still think for a level 1 Job, trying to take out 10 ships that can fire on you 20kms away, was way over the top, even if I had fitted ship differant. I found IDKs hard to earn, to fund all these better weapons and Insure ship 100%. Mining in better Asteriod belts, bought Some unwelcome visitors, but better minerals.

My Corp has sent me details of something called API number and some software called Evemon, which refused to install on my computor , so some of my problems have just mounted, to a point, where I found i was staying up till midnight, trying just to finish 1 level mission, working out what an Evemon was and a key? then losing said mission and the Bonus IDK, cos I
I was already very tired, at that point, but didnt couldnt afford to lose my bonus IDK.

never mind, it was fun while it lasted.Blink


Tip, don't train 2 characters on 1 account that early. Better to get 1 up and running before branching out into multiple.

Also your race doesn't mean you have to fly that race ships.

I have a Minmatar toon who flies Gallente
I have a Minmatar toon who flies Amarr
And an Amarr one who flies minmatar.

EVE is open to you, do what you like, there are only couple of boundaries (no botting, no RMT, no new-player griefing, no exploits)

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#114 - 2012-06-20 21:29:04 UTC
Lately I've been wondering why Concord *doesn't* protect against your own corpmates. I can't come up with a single good reason why. (yes yes I know, "practice"...but there can be simple mechanics to allow that.) My fellow griefers probably won't agree, but I can't think of a single good reason the mechanic exists. It allows people to do what the OP describes, as well as the reverse: joining a corporation solely with the intent of destroying as many ships as possible.

*If* CCP were to create something resembling a proper system for arranged fights (aka duels) in highsec, I wonder it would be reasonable to remove the blanket protection on awoxing.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-06-20 21:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Lately I've been wondering why Concord *doesn't* protect against your own corpmates. I can't come up with a single good reason why. (yes yes I know, "practice"...but there can be simple mechanics to allow that.) My fellow griefers probably won't agree, but I can't think of a single good reason the mechanic exists. It allows people to do what the OP describes, as well as the reverse: joining a corporation solely with the intent of destroying as many ships as possible.

*If* CCP were to create something resembling a proper system for arranged fights (aka duels) in highsec, I wonder it would be reasonable to remove the blanket protection on awoxing.


And there is the point. EVE isn't handheld, by joining a corp you take a risk of being shot at.

As for people joining a corp just to kill people, if they can, then the security of the corporation is to blame. They should have did some research on the new recruit.

You are asking CCP to change high-sec in handheld themepark. That isn't EVE, want arranged fights, there are other MMO's for that.

Don't want to be shot by fellow corp mates. Join a proper corp, do some research before you join OR stay in NPC corp.

The OP joined a corp who has a killboard filled with griefing kills + there was a 2nd post on New Citizens Q&A about same corp with same tactic (killing a new player who had no clue what he was doing) on the front page. A little bit of research would have stopped it from happening. But I'm happy it is actually against rules (see ISD post) what that corp is doing as it falls under New player griefing.

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Wyld Wulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-06-20 21:45:11 UTC
Concord. Providing consequences, not protection. - Crumplecorn

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