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Harbonah
Short Bus Window Licker
#81 - 2012-06-16 02:23:06 UTC
He will be back. They always come back after the initial rage period.
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-06-16 05:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
Lazarus Malen wrote:
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But, your final statement is incorrect, in my opinion. People aren't saying "you should have known better". They're pointing out all of the mistakes you made, and teaching you how to avoid those mistakes in the future. They're arming you with knowledge to protect yourself in the future from the same kind of scam/situation.

So, it's not "you should have known better" - it's "hey, that sucks, been there, done that, here's how you learn from it and do better in the future". Quite frankly, that's just life. And similar to life, this game is unforgiving at times. I personally wouldn't have it any other way.

Take care, and good fortune in whatever game you go to now. o7







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Taylor Nova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-06-16 09:56:31 UTC
OK Last comment, because Im off to my corp headquaters today, in Kulu where, In a welcome letter, I should get missions and support That would help me appreciate more of all the Tips & hints here, I hope the OP does return, I found all your posts constructive and helpful, and it has helped me to decide to "get on with It" Smile

On the matter of PLEX, I tried buying Plex, this was on the official Website, But it turned me down, saying, "can not Buy PLEX while your on trial account".

Im Just going to buy the standard 30 day extension by paypal for now, When Im full member, then I look at wiki on PLEX, cos, again, Im such a green horn, I have no idea really what a PLEX is apart from it being an item to buy playing time.

Gosh, You need a Bible of a thousand pages to Understand a 10 th of this game, but as you all point out, its the unique nature of the ethics, the technology, and the skills, that make EVE what it is.

BTW. Those cans I talked about, I never touch yellow ones, Also, I read That owners of them, can rename them. Actually I used to be a content creator in Second Life World, I also used to set up rent boxes for homes I was renting out, in the scripts of the rental box, the Syntaxt text allows you to change the floating text, Thus Putting on a yellow can " freebies for newbies" is a con, by more experienced players,here, because in Second Life there are real boxes in some areas with freebie boxes, that contain Clothes, Shoes, Fun items etc.

So , having that advantage, knowing You can rename the can, and if its not yours, any other text saying "free stuff" should be avoided at all costs XD.

Again, sorry to the OP if i Hi- jacked the thread somewhat, but its been interesting and the number of posts shows, that there is probably more Nice guys & gals like you out thereBlink

Mike
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#84 - 2012-06-16 13:03:10 UTC
I've already been speaking with another player who almost fell prey to Hard Rock Miners. The corp was formed just days ago and has their HQ in Deepari, a starter system. I checked their details on Eve Who and found that the corp's leave history was filled with people who only stayed for a few hours, obviously having been either ganked or finding that it was a trap and subsequently left.

This is the second time in a matter or days that I've heard pretty much the same story about Hard Rock Miners, they aren't a genuine mining corp nor are they a friendly corp as advertised. I advise any new players looking for a corp to check them out on Eve Who, check their Eve Kill page and see if they're in the habit of shooting corp mates and how many join and leave in a short time.

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Taylor Nova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-06-16 16:09:09 UTC
Had to reply to the above,as I know that system deepari, as started one of my charactors out there, Seeing this crowd seems it picks on low value newbies, & not want to get attacked by more powerful players, Im always eager to Play my cards, I play Poker !!XD

If after my tea in a minute, if I found these rotten egg Cowards, Im tempted to pick one or two from there member list, that I may be able to defeat in that area i'm already close to.

Once I fly my Tristan to my Corp base, I could use my other 2 ships, To harrass them, Ok I probably be out gunned, but, In fact, sometimes players in some games, dont use there brains, and think because they may be in an Alliance, they go out Light, relying on some of there pals being out there to back them up.

I might lose both my rookie ships, but im used to flight, tactics, Bluff in other games, but at least they might think twice before luring a newbie into there trap. Once the Tristan is fully loaded, And I have bought another one For back up in my new base hanger, then I will turn up there again, and make out I'm an easy worm, Which ,You should know im not, and I take the fight to the enemy, never the other way round, unless its a no win retreat tactical move.

On the other hand, What im saying may be a complete Bluff, if they are listening to this post, You miners, will have to decide wether to call my bluff, Im good at winning Full houses, so beware, if I do turn up!
Harbonah
Short Bus Window Licker
#86 - 2012-06-16 16:42:31 UTC
Actually if they are HQ'd in Deepari and targeting new players specifically they can be reported. I think that might be considered Newbie space and one of the only No go zones for taking advantage of new players. Might want to consider talking to a GM about it.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#87 - 2012-06-16 16:58:26 UTC
If you're really suited to stay in EVE for years your respons should be rage - but not ragequit.

I that would have happened to me (and I am a newb myself) my reaction would have been a deep, craving feeling of cold anger and revenge. I would memorize that people, and some day - maybe not tomorrow, maybe not the day after tomorrow - I would bring make them cry and whine.

Maybe not the most healthy response in rl, but I think for EVE it's appropriate. Blink
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-06-16 17:05:18 UTC
Harbonah wrote:
Actually if they are HQ'd in Deepari and targeting new players specifically they can be reported. I think that might be considered Newbie space and one of the only No go zones for taking advantage of new players. Might want to consider talking to a GM about it.


Could be possible. People just need to petition it and it could be the CCP will agree it's newby bashing (which is not allowed in the starting systems).

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Bart Wart
#89 - 2012-06-16 17:25:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Bart Wart
Nah. Here's what you do:

1 Rage quit
2 Let CCP know why, and make it nasty. Complain about everything, even the ugly ships. Hold nothing back! Take your rage out on CCP, not the player. The player is just acting according to human nature. CCP is the real villain here for having so many convoluted game mechanics. CCP is the ultima griefer.
3 Cool off for a few months, maybe play a game with awesome PVE like City of Heroes for a while.
4 Start lurking on the EVE forums again. Realize that the forums are the most interesting part of the game. Start lurking on something awful forums, evenews 24, kugustman, etc., to get a better feel for the community and some of the bigger players, and human nature in general.
5 Get that itch to start playing again.
5 Start another trial account.
6 This time train your char for pve/pvp and not stupid mining.
7 Find a corp that won't exploit you. I.e., you should be more valuable to them alive rather than dead. Friends are for rl, not Eve, especially not right off the bat. Don't expect to find your bff in eve, and anyone who acts like they want to be your bff is trying to exploit you.
Ogi Talvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-06-16 17:58:55 UTC
Azaru Shepard wrote:
So I started playing a month ago, and I've been mining and saving my cash while training to get a mining barge. Today my goal was realized when I bought my Retriever and equipped it with 2 strip miners and 5 mining drones. I was finally going to get to do some serious mining and work my way towards a hulk. So as I'm flying back to my home in Deepari, I get a message from a guy named Ugly about joining the Hard Rock Miners. He talks to me for about 15 minutes about their goals and such and he seems like a really nice guy. I dock at the starbase and join their corporation. About 5 minutes later he asks me to come to the asteroid field in Deepari .9 space. I figure we were going to do some mining as a corporation, so I warp on over. As soon as i reach the field, 3 green ships from my corporation warp field me, and ask me for 8 million isk. Of course i don't have that much, and they proceed to destroy my month of work with Concord doing nothing at all to help me. That was a cheap and dirty way of killing a newbie, and there is no reason that it should even be allowed in the game. Canceled my subscription immediately afterwards.


No point in raging really. Its a valuable lesson and you sadly learned it the hard way. If you did not rage unsubdued i would have contracted you my first and only Retriever from my first week of game when i thought mining was fun Ugh
Haulie Berry
#91 - 2012-06-16 19:34:08 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Harbonah wrote:
Actually if they are HQ'd in Deepari and targeting new players specifically they can be reported. I think that might be considered Newbie space and one of the only No go zones for taking advantage of new players. Might want to consider talking to a GM about it.


Could be possible. People just need to petition it and it could be the CCP will agree it's newby bashing (which is not allowed in the starting systems).


Actually, yeah, come to think of it Deepari is a career agent system, which is considered a rookie system.
Taylor Nova
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-06-17 07:41:01 UTC
Yes haulie, Deeperi is a starter system, & Interestingly When I first started, I noticed a Buff coloured Ship in there, 25km away Which when I locked on to see info, it said "Bounty" 3,900000 IDK or something.

I asked in Rookie Chat, about this ship, and an experienced player, said, its very unlikely he will attack you, hes not allowed to kill newbies in here, he could get banned. After a few minutes, a lot of green squares started to fly to intercept him, he then jumped out Like a bat out of hellAttention

Actually, im not sure where I stand, if I was to attack a" Rock Miner", Just on the strengh of them being bullys, an unprovoked attack on one, may flag me as an agressor, I know my standing to the rock miners would go in - standing, but its the bigger picture of my standing in that area, I would be more concerned about, thus, Until I really understand the mechanics and kill policys, I will only respond if Im attacked for the time being.

Im still not sure what an "Incursion" is, after flying 25 gates to see my Corps home System, I gated through 2-3 areas, that had a pink bar, and other info on services suspended. Obviously I didnt hang around, But one gate I went through, gave me a shock, as it said in red, "You are an Enemy" Blah Blah, After 2 consecutive Jumps, The local chat said i was out of the incursion area, if anybody has a Wiki they can point me to about "Incursions" I would be grateful.

Also, being a Gallente, but being in a corp in Ammre 25 jumps away, I was wondering, how the hell am I supposed to get all my 3 ships and fittings From Gallente Academy to there, without having to return each time to collect each ship. Or should I just sell the The rookie ship and the Atron, and just take my new Tristan with me. Confused.com Question
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-06-17 08:40:17 UTC
Taylor Nova wrote:
Yes haulie, Deeperi is a starter system, & Interestingly When I first started, I noticed a Buff coloured Ship in there, 25km away Which when I locked on to see info, it said "Bounty" 3,900000 IDK or something.

I asked in Rookie Chat, about this ship, and an experienced player, said, its very unlikely he will attack you, hes not allowed to kill newbies in here, he could get banned. After a few minutes, a lot of green squares started to fly to intercept him, he then jumped out Like a bat out of hellAttention

Actually, im not sure where I stand, if I was to attack a" Rock Miner", Just on the strengh of them being bullys, an unprovoked attack on one, may flag me as an agressor, I know my standing to the rock miners would go in - standing, but its the bigger picture of my standing in that area, I would be more concerned about, thus, Until I really understand the mechanics and kill policys, I will only respond if Im attacked for the time being.

Im still not sure what an "Incursion" is, after flying 25 gates to see my Corps home System, I gated through 2-3 areas, that had a pink bar, and other info on services suspended. Obviously I didnt hang around, But one gate I went through, gave me a shock, as it said in red, "You are an Enemy" Blah Blah, After 2 consecutive Jumps, The local chat said i was out of the incursion area, if anybody has a Wiki they can point me to about "Incursions" I would be grateful.

Also, being a Gallente, but being in a corp in Ammre 25 jumps away, I was wondering, how the hell am I supposed to get all my 3 ships and fittings From Gallente Academy to there, without having to return each time to collect each ship. Or should I just sell the The rookie ship and the Atron, and just take my new Tristan with me. Confused.com Question


1.) Keep in mind if you shoot one of these guys in Deepari CONCORD will kill you as you have no legit reason to kill them according to the game mechanics.

2.) Incursions = fleet sized PvE. Incursions take over a constellation and in that constellation there will spawn Incursion complexes. These can be done by a fleet of people to defeat the Incursion. Incursion also mean that rats in general in asteroid belts will be much harder, bounties of missions lower etc.

3.) The "You are an Enemy" pop up could be anybody in system. If you have low enough standings toward 1 of the NPC Factions their Navy will hunt you as soon as you enter their space.

4.) You either have to haul your ships across yourself, make a contract to get them shipped across or just sell them and start over in your now 'Home system'

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-06-17 09:40:09 UTC
Harbonah wrote:
Actually if they are HQ'd in Deepari and targeting new players specifically they can be reported. I think that might be considered Newbie space and one of the only No go zones for taking advantage of new players. Might want to consider talking to a GM about it.
Most of the new players bashing in rookie systems is bannable, Deepari is one of those system, I started there.
I haven't been there since I finished my tutorials, except once a couple weeks ago. Didn't notice any corp acting like that, but instead I spotted a comment in local, bit of crappy smacktalk from a vet (2010 but it's still way older than me). I looked up the guy's killboard and noticed he had been baiting newbs in this system for a few days already, so I filed a petition and let the GM look into it. One hour later he was gone.
I suppose he could always argue he was training them to PvP, but having an alt in a vindicator whenever the foe undocks in a destroyer instead of a frigate, kinda kills the argument, because we all know how dangerous a 5 days old player can be in a destroyer.

Anyway, just don't hesitate to petition what seems odd to you guys, in starter systems. Worst case scenario, you learn from a GM that it's not bannable, best case, you maybe get a reimbusement if you lost a ship and the griefer is warned or banned if it isn't the first offence.

Taylor Nova wrote:
Yes haulie, Deeperi is a starter system, & Interestingly When I first started, I noticed a Buff coloured Ship in there, 25km away Which when I locked on to see info, it said "Bounty" 3,900000 IDK or something.

I asked in Rookie Chat, about this ship, and an experienced player, said, its very unlikely he will attack you, hes not allowed to kill newbies in here, he could get banned. After a few minutes, a lot of green squares started to fly to intercept him, he then jumped out Like a bat out of hell
Also, do take advices in NPC corps channels, with a grain of salt. Some old players there are alts of even older toons, but some of them just never left the NPC corp and may have misinformed knowledge on some topic, because they never did anything but PvE. I'm still in contact with some of the IAC members because I had a great time in the corp chat, but keep in mind that some players may be old though have very little experience in PvP and some other game mechanisms. If a player has a bounty, it doesn't mean he will shoot you, he's likely to bait you in giving him the right to shoot you, but if he does in a starter system and you're about a couple weeks old, it's bannable. When you want to show info on someone on grid, don't target them, they'll see you did and if they're up to some mischief, you just raised their attention. Instead, right-click>show info from the overview.

If people banded to take him down, it's for the bounty, the person shooting his pod would be paid the bounty by Concord, that's why he left. I know some people like to have a bounty and appear meaner than they are, but if someone has a bounty bigger than their current clone price, they're better shooting themselve with an alt and collecting the money. The bounty mechanism is utterly useless and broken nowadays. Without any PvP experience, I'd advise you not to try to get the bounties, you're likely to end up on the wrong side of the killmail.

As per relocating, if you don't autopilot, 25 jumps is about 25 minutes, it's a pain, but either you do that, or sell everything and equip yourself once arrived, or you ask your corpmates to give you a haul if you trust them with your assets. If you don't trust them that much yet, you can contract haulers to do it for you if you can afford it. In your situation, I'd keep one ship and fit it well (ask advices from your corpmates) and reprocess the rest of the items (minerals sell easier than low volume mods), less chances of losing ISK than assets, unless you fall for a scam. Once at your destination, use that money to buy some new stuff along the suggestions of your corpmates if they can tell you what you can do with them.

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Izitmee Rewind
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-06-17 10:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Izitmee Rewind
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
If you're really suited to stay in EVE for years your respons should be rage - but not ragequit.

I that would have happened to me (and I am a newb myself) my reaction would have been a deep, craving feeling of cold anger and revenge. I would memorize that people, and some day - maybe not tomorrow, maybe not the day after tomorrow - I would bring make them cry and whine.

Maybe not the most healthy response in rl, but I think for EVE it's appropriate. Blink

Ah! I loved this answer - it sheds a more vivid and realistic light on everything, making EVE even more appealing Smile
ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#96 - 2012-06-19 01:15:29 UTC
Hello everyone,

So this thread took my attention on the grief problems that happened. So I looked into it a bit further and asked around and this is the following answer in what you should do if this does happen to you and what not to do.

If a corporation is specifically created to target Rookie Players (regardless of the system) just to kill them please file a petition under harassment and the GMs will look into it.

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-06-19 06:10:09 UTC
ISD Athechu wrote:
Hello everyone,

So this thread took my attention on the grief problems that happened. So I looked into it a bit further and asked around and this is the following answer in what you should do if this does happen to you and what not to do.

If a corporation is specifically created to target Rookie Players (regardless of the system) just to kill them please file a petition under harassment and the GMs will look into it.



Good to know too bad this likely comes too late for the OP

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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#98 - 2012-06-19 07:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
J'Poll wrote:
ISD Athechu wrote:
Hello everyone,

So this thread took my attention on the grief problems that happened. So I looked into it a bit further and asked around and this is the following answer in what you should do if this does happen to you and what not to do.

If a corporation is specifically created to target Rookie Players (regardless of the system) just to kill them please file a petition under harassment and the GMs will look into it.



Good to know too bad this likely comes too late for the OP



Even so it can be helpful for future players also don't hesitate to ask an ISD member or mail them too if you see them in-game. We are here to also help as best as we can :).

ISD Athechu

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#99 - 2012-06-19 16:34:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I like this kind of stories that is in first post, it gives this game some hardcore settings.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2012-06-19 17:00:51 UTC
I can guarantee this is a troll thread.

1 - If you had cancelled your sub already, you cant post on the forums
2 - How can CCP "not allow" that to happen? You joined their corp without knowing them. Blues can shoot blues in this game.

FC, what do?