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Dear miners, take heart, change is coming:
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Momoyo
Rivinshield Trading Inc.
#21 - 2012-06-14 21:28:36 UTC
Im gonna go mine in a procurer now before it becomes cool. Big smile
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-06-14 21:29:33 UTC
Edited the OP with all the actual mining barge changes so all the retards who don't bother reading these (yet still post half cocked stupidity that is obviously addressed in the blog like mining yield ect) can see all the changes intended.


Mining should actually get better, at least in the tools for use department.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-14 21:40:36 UTC
Grath, stop crying.
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#24 - 2012-06-14 21:45:02 UTC
Updated barges...mining is still on par with playing Desert Bus.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2012-06-14 21:46:06 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Grath, stop crying.


Marlona, if you took me places after i get all dressed up like this maybe I wouldn't cry, did you ever think about me? WHAT ABOUT ME MARLONA, WHEN DO MY FEELINGS MATTER.

God, this is the same thing we talked about at couples therapy, its like you're not taking our relationship seriously.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-14 21:53:04 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Grath, stop crying.


Marlona, if you took me places after i get all dressed up like this maybe I wouldn't cry, did you ever think about me? WHAT ABOUT ME MARLONA, WHEN DO MY FEELINGS MATTER.

God, this is the same thing we talked about at couples therapy, its like you're not taking our relationship seriously.

Your feeling don't matter and our relationship was just supposed to be platonic! Then you had to complicate things. Cry
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-06-14 21:54:35 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield Lol and hold to gain this advantage.





Hooo boy. Wiping away those laughter tears.

Taking off 2 strippers to leave the ONE that the silly ship even holds.............yessir, that is only SOME yield I guess.

OMG forbid they ever nerf your PI tax rates by 66%. We will never hear the end of it.

Or give up 66% yield of your OTECMoons. There we go.


I have to fit a tank to my ratting ship. You have to fit a tank to your mining ship. Also PI is glutted right now and the prices have been consistently dropping on individual income for it for a while, so you are talking out your ass. As far as tech goes: You could easily cut 66% of our income by coming and taking away our tech. Just like I'm taking away 50% of your income by shooting you unless you fly something else.

You don't get to lived in a closed system while the rest of us have to face the consequences of other players actually existing. I'm sorry you think that it should be the case: but it never will.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2012-06-14 22:06:51 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Taking off 2 strippers to leave the ONE that the silly ship even holds.............yessir, that is only SOME yield I guess.
Good thing that nothing of the kind is happening, then.
Ocular Shadows
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-06-15 03:19:33 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
Nyreanya wrote:
I heard the Lion King theme in my head when I read this.
NAAAAAAaaants ingonyaamaaaaaaaa bagithi Baba
And there was much rejoicing.


Hakuna Matata


What a wonderful phrase.
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-06-15 03:25:55 UTC
WE WANT A MINING SHIP WITH DREADNOUGHT HP, FREIGHTER SIZED CARGOHOLD AND 2000% HULK MINING YEILD WTF CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hello
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-06-15 03:30:45 UTC
Mining frigate looks cool.
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-06-15 03:35:29 UTC
EPIC win by CCP ... Its natural change large amount of hulks and mining barges being killed would make spaceships to have structural changes to their ships ..

This made my day completely.. CCP.. you have given us a fighing chance,, now am gonna shutup since i got what i wanted...
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#33 - 2012-06-15 03:37:16 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Quote:
Barge in on me

Changing the mining frigates to have combat roles made us realize that we need something to replace them. Which lead us to realize how outdated mining barges are. That’s something we want to tackle over the course of the summer as well.
Our goal is simple: each and every single mining barge (and their tech 2 variant) should have an appealing role, and not just be a stepping stone on the way to something better. Players should'nt only aim for the Hulk without considering anything else when doing some hard rock and roll mining. That means playing with the following variables:

Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.
Autonomy: mining barges should have proper cargo holds so they not always have to rely on jet cans (without turning them into industrials however). That means giving them large, specialized ore bays where all the ore will automatically go into when mining.
Resilience: another point is to give some of them proper EHP not to be one-shot by anything that even remotely sneezes on them.


As a result we thus get:

New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.


Now please kindly shut the hell up.


Oh and I'm gonna go ahead and spoil it for you, Battleship HP will help, but all the HP in world wont stop people from nuking you, but at least this change may push the threshold too high for people to want to gank solo miners.


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield and hold to gain this advantage.


bs ehp is over 100k so depending on the cost but i dont think its worth 10 nadoes

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-06-15 05:47:06 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Quote:

New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.


Now please kindly shut the hell up.


Oh and I'm gonna go ahead and spoil it for you, Battleship HP will help, but all the HP in world wont stop people from nuking you, but at least this change may push the threshold too high for people to want to gank solo miners.


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield and hold to gain this advantage.


Ah, but my friend, they won't. They don't want to, they want the game to be changed so they can continue being foolish. This won't change anything, they'll still get in their hulks, they'll still paper fit them so that they're max possible yield, and they'll still go abloobloobloo when someone ganks them. Because "Skiff output sucks" and "only a noob wouldn't use a hulk and 23 bot accounts."



And of course, the Skiff will be buffed, over and over again, over the upcoming years, just to shut the rock junkies up.

I do like that CCP has flat out said right up there (I went ahead and bolded it) that the Covetor / Hulk are not meant for solo miners, though. Unfortunately, the only thing harder than space rocks is Highsec Bot Miner skulls.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-06-15 05:48:39 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield Lol and hold to gain this advantage.





Hooo boy. Wiping away those laughter tears.

Taking off 2 strippers to leave the ONE that the silly ship even holds.............yessir, that is only SOME yield I guess.

OMG forbid they ever nerf your PI tax rates by 66%. We will never hear the end of it.

Or give up 66% yield of your OTECMoons. There we go.


I have to fit a tank to my ratting ship. You have to fit a tank to your mining ship. Also PI is glutted right now and the prices have been consistently dropping on individual income for it for a while, so you are talking out your ass. As far as tech goes: You could easily cut 66% of our income by coming and taking away our tech. Just like I'm taking away 50% of your income by shooting you unless you fly something else.

You don't get to lived in a closed system while the rest of us have to face the consequences of other players actually existing. I'm sorry you think that it should be the case: but it never will.


This is me, not empty quoting. Instead, I am slowly clapping. Good show, sir!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2012-06-15 05:53:46 UTC
Quote:
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.

Oh boy, the next time people get popped in hulks we can tell them "use a Skiff - it's yield is still better than a FRIGATE :) "

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#37 - 2012-06-15 06:07:50 UTC
It's CCP.
You really think there won't be sand in the Vaseline? You must be new here.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2012-06-15 06:10:57 UTC
Ocih wrote:
It's CCP.
You really think there won't be sand in the Vaseline? You must be new here.

I... I never thought of it that way.

Hope there won't be too many people using that Vaseline then...

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Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#39 - 2012-06-15 06:12:35 UTC
in before miners keep losing hulks and whining that they can't have the best tank AND the best efficiency
Ned Black
Driders
#40 - 2012-06-15 06:21:13 UTC
Momoyo wrote:
Im gonna go mine in a procurer now before it becomes cool. Big smile


Get yourself an osprey it mines better than that said procurer...