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Dear miners, take heart, change is coming:
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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-06-14 19:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
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Barge in on me

Changing the mining frigates to have combat roles made us realize that we need something to replace them. Which lead us to realize how outdated mining barges are. That’s something we want to tackle over the course of the summer as well.
Our goal is simple: each and every single mining barge (and their tech 2 variant) should have an appealing role, and not just be a stepping stone on the way to something better. Players should'nt only aim for the Hulk without considering anything else when doing some hard rock and roll mining. That means playing with the following variables:

Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.
Autonomy: mining barges should have proper cargo holds so they not always have to rely on jet cans (without turning them into industrials however). That means giving them large, specialized ore bays where all the ore will automatically go into when mining.
Resilience: another point is to give some of them proper EHP not to be one-shot by anything that even remotely sneezes on them.


As a result we thus get:

New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.


Now please kindly shut the hell up.


Oh and I'm gonna go ahead and spoil it for you, Battleship HP will help, but all the HP in world wont stop people from nuking you, but at least this change may push the threshold too high for people to want to gank solo miners.


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield and hold to gain this advantage.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#2 - 2012-06-14 19:52:07 UTC
This is new and exciting information...
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#3 - 2012-06-14 19:53:46 UTC
Panda McLegion weighs in on the matter.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#4 - 2012-06-14 19:53:53 UTC
You forgot this part:

Quote:
Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#5 - 2012-06-14 19:58:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ana Vyr
Some of the yield...you meant 1/3rd of the yield right?

But hey, it mines better than a FRIGATE, how could we possibly complain?

Personally, I'm gonna just stick to tanking my Hulk and paying attention, unless they plan to really up the input you get from the new procurer/skiff. Last time I checked, you can only mount one laser to both of these right?

The post above does contain very hopeful info though...if the yield is less, but not a whole lot less, this stuff will be great.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#6 - 2012-06-14 20:01:19 UTC
Why hello there new, exciting, and completely original thread. And how are we doing today?

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-14 20:02:20 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Quote:
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP


Now please kindly shut the hell up.


Oh and I'm gonna go ahead and spoil it for you, Battleship HP will help, but all the HP in world wont stop people from nuking you, but at least this change may push the threshold too high for people to want to gank solo miners.


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield and hold to gain this advantage.




I suspect the price point for one of these new brick barges will right on par with a sufficient gank squad of Tier3 BCs.
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#8 - 2012-06-14 20:02:52 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
Some of the yield...you meant 1/3rd of the yield right?

But hey, it mines better than a FRIGATE, how could we possibly complain?

Personally, I'm gonna just stick to tanking my Hulk and paying attention, unless they plan to really up the input you get from the new procurer/skiff. Last time I checked, you can only mount one laser to both of these right?

The post above does contain very hopeful info though...if the yield is less, but not a whole lot less, this stuff will be great.


I guess you completely skipped the post I made just before this.

Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#9 - 2012-06-14 20:04:27 UTC
Andoria Thara wrote:
Ana Vyr wrote:
Some of the yield...you meant 1/3rd of the yield right?

But hey, it mines better than a FRIGATE, how could we possibly complain?

Personally, I'm gonna just stick to tanking my Hulk and paying attention, unless they plan to really up the input you get from the new procurer/skiff. Last time I checked, you can only mount one laser to both of these right?

The post above does contain very hopeful info though...if the yield is less, but not a whole lot less, this stuff will be great.


I guess you completely skipped the post I made just before this.

Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.


I referenced your post. I was writing mine when you posted yours, and it's very welcome news.
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#10 - 2012-06-14 20:05:44 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:

I referenced your post. I was writing mine when you posted yours, and it's very welcome news.


D'oh, you updated it while I was replying lol P
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#11 - 2012-06-14 20:10:59 UTC
I heard the Lion King theme in my head when I read this.
NAAAAAAaaants ingonyaamaaaaaaaa bagithi Baba
And there was much rejoicing.

[/sarcasm]
Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
#12 - 2012-06-14 20:15:47 UTC
Nyreanya wrote:
I heard the Lion King theme in my head when I read this.
NAAAAAAaaants ingonyaamaaaaaaaa bagithi Baba
And there was much rejoicing.


That which has been heard cannot be unheard.

Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-14 20:17:03 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
This is new and exciting information...


...and yet you still bumbled into this thread
Anazzar
Polaris Space Industries
#14 - 2012-06-14 20:32:12 UTC
The mining frigate sounds like it would be fun to run about lowsec with, mining is still boring as hell though, think ill stick to WHs until they make it a bit more interactive.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-14 20:38:18 UTC
Nyreanya wrote:
I heard the Lion King theme in my head when I read this.
NAAAAAAaaants ingonyaamaaaaaaaa bagithi Baba
And there was much rejoicing.


Hakuna Matata

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Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-14 20:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulousli Obvious
Grath Telkin wrote:


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield Lol and hold to gain this advantage.





Hooo boy. Wiping away those laughter tears.

Taking off 2 strippers to leave the ONE that the silly ship even holds.............yessir, that is only SOME yield I guess.

OMG forbid they ever nerf your PI tax rates by 66%. We will never hear the end of it.

Or give up 66% yield of your OTECMoons. There we go.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-06-14 21:21:47 UTC
No, YOU shut the hell up!

Nothing really about the blog or mining, just zip it in general.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-06-14 21:21:50 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:


Or give up 66% yield of your OTECMoons. There we go.


Sometimes i have to wake up at 6am on a sunday to go defend or repair my moons.


Just because you don't see the downside to the moons doesn't meant there isn't one thats there. Moons (even the non broken ones that aren't tech) take a ton of care, feeding, and sometimes ruining a whole day of your life that you'll literally never get back just to deal with.

So, if I were you, I'd probably just shut up and be happy that CCP paid attention to all your whining and gave you a platform that has a chance to do all the things you ninnys have been begging for.


You're also failing to note that barges will get a yield increase, but do go on being a bitter sour little cry baby.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#19 - 2012-06-14 21:24:33 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Quote:
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP


Now please kindly shut the hell up.


Oh and I'm gonna go ahead and spoil it for you, Battleship HP will help, but all the HP in world wont stop people from nuking you, but at least this change may push the threshold too high for people to want to gank solo miners.


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield and hold to gain this advantage.




If its going to be a useful ship it should mine better than a battleship.
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
#20 - 2012-06-14 21:27:16 UTC
Fantastic changes!!
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