Warfare & Tactics

Do you see what you are saying though? We need 2 recons to counter a frigate in our major plex. On the other hand the minmatar do not need anyone to counter a frigate in their major plex - the npcs do it automatically. Its unbalanced and it will remain unbalanced even after the ewar is removed.

I agree with what you say. There are those who are doing faction war who only care about the pvp. I think you are saying you are in that camp. It's great and I think allot of people who like pvp should definitely give faction war a try. IMO fw has been the best means to frequent quality small scale pvp in eve for a long time. (RvB is at least an honorable mention)

But understand that just about everyone in faction war, before these changes, were in the same camp you are now. There used to be nothing other than the pvp in faction war, other than the mission farmers but they were their own subgroup. Think about that. Occupancy meant nothing. So all those bitter fw vets that you tend to deride are actually allot like you in many many ways.

But after a while I and others started to see that ccp could really ramp up faction war and make it truly kick ass on a whole other level. Not just make it like rvb with meaningless pvp, but give some context and thereby actually increase the amount and quality of the pvp. Just a few tweaks and they could really have this take off. For years we have been pushing them to do this.

These people have done fw just for the pvp for years and now care about the occupancy war too. And the reason we care is because we know the system has allot of potential to be much better at providing the frequent quality pvp we do faction war for.


We aren't satisfied that this is just better than null sec or piracy. If the best and most frequent pvp eve offered was null sec or piracy we would have unsubbed long ago. Just because the frequent small scale pvp in faction war is the best in eve isn't really saying much. Its the only mechanic that ccp even seemed to somewhat try to promote frequent quality pvp.

But even there, many of the mechanics clearly cut against that idea. And that is because the goal of making fw a stepping stone to sov null sec is counter to making faction war a mechanic that promotes frequent quality small scale pvp. Until ccp decides on clear non contradictory goals they will never have a truly great system.

I dont get you at all. we run the plexes to
A) lock you out of stations, and
B) force you to fight.

Your post didnt make as much sense to me as it should have( read:unintelligiblegibberish) but then I am not as up on plexing mechanics as you, I just form or join gangs, go out looking for gallente to kill and when they dont show, run plexes hoping they do...

Thats the case as far as I am concerned. Anyone knows I hate buttons. I am in militia since it started and get piles of isk for running FW missions, and I am still broke.I run plexes in gangs, looking for fights. I dont bother running FW missions until I have to , and then only so I can buy ships after the ones I had got blown up in combat.Which, by the way, is how it was supposed to work in the first place.

I find it hilarious a guy who goes with his mates to another militia because that is where the most money is thinks everyone else thinks the same way.I have no doubt guys use alts to plex, but,
I dont, I haven't, I don't know anyone who does, and I dont hear it discussed in militia comms.

100 guys on comms yesterday and we were running plexes in gangs, looking for fight.
When gallente did finally show their faces was after we flipped 2 systems, and they came with a BS heavy fleet with heavy logistic support.

I agree but we are doing the plexing in a way that makes it entertaining for them to do the defensive plexing. That is we are doing the offensive plexing in systems where their pvp blobs will roam anyway. So they can get some fights and not just solely sit on a button for no reward.

Why are we doing that? Because we don't want to sit on a button with no pvp even if we get a reward. Its not what we signed up for, and its a boring game mechanic. I mean I can "win" the guiness book of world records for sitting in a chair the longest time if I have the "will" to win it. FW right now has more to do with who has more time to waste doing pve rather than who is better at pvp or better at "figuring out" strategies. Like I said the strategy I outlined isn't so hard to figure out. Its just that the execution is so boring no one wants to spend real life free time doing that.





Oh they already had loads of lp that they cashed in. They fly more sfis than we can afford thrashers. This is already a done deal. Those who were lucky enough to be in minmatar faction war before ccp changed the rules already received a huge payday.

And yes I mean lucky for the vast majority of them. They can thank sasawong who has more vp as in individual than any minmatar corporation. So yes sasawong and probably a few others in IO earned whatever they were able to cash in. But the majority who wouldn't plex before this patch just got a huge windfall thanks to ccp changing the rules.

Now to hear them talk about how they are winning because of some sort of pvp prowess is pretty sickening.

Well, i agree with you on most points. I also actually agree with the OP to a point. but the lack of will in my mind takes precedence over anything else.

if CCP were to change mechanics, I would think that forcing all the rats to be killed before plex closes would do enough.You want webbing rats as well, will that solve the issue? Ok, if you like, but I still think a minor should be able to be completed solo.

Your killboard says otherwise.

Anyways, the fact that Gallente having second most VP every day (which does not count the four corps who plex heavily while in Minmatar militia) means they are very much participating in Occupancy War. The Caldari + farming alts are simply plexing like crazy.

Your picture shows that neither I nor the person losing ships was complaining about "blobs" - and strangly enough both I, Amun, and several others hung around fighting whilst you fled and docked up. I quite like Fweddit when you are being reckless combat loons but your forum propaganda is woeful.

I ran outta paper so here are a few sources coming FROM THE ENEMY to support what I am ragging about.

As it stands, it is too easy to make ISK via Minmatar FW. I made 600 mil with little to no effort in the last two days (Friday/Saturday) and if I care enough I'll make another 100 or 200 mil today. I am a 8-day old character, I should not be able to make that kind of ISK in so little time with the exception of intelligently playing the market. I know nothing about playing the market so I have to "work" for my ISK, but with FW I barely have to work at all for a lot of ISK.

I made 188k LP in the last 2 days doing mostly majors, but some medium and minors (with partners) here and there. I didn't bother doing any plexes for the majority of yesterday as I made like 100k LP and I got bored of making more LP. On Friday night I made 80-90k LP. With what I'm trading in (which is slowly crashing in the market compared to the other Minmatar faction stuff that's crashing really fast) I get 3000 ISK per LP.

188k LP took me from 85 mil to 691 mil ISK.

Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119886&find=unread

One of the strangest strategies I’ve seen crop up in Faction War, is allowing an enemy to take a system in order to benefit from the lucrativeness of eventually taking it back. This rather backwards approach to taking sovereignty stems from the fact that the primary worth of a FW system is in taking it –not in owning it

At the current Minmatar LP to ISK ratio (based on current Stabber Fleet prices), factoring in some modest pvp, and applying current warzone control payout bonuses, the Minmatar will net a low estimate of 16.3 billion isk for taking the system. This could easily reach upwards of 20 billion isk, depending on what lengths the Amarr go to to defend it.

Source: http://www.gamerchick.net/2012/06/backwards-yet-lucrative-strategy.html?showComment=1339623311450#comment-c7766893185882447617

Alba.

This is a very good idea, and if allowed to happen Amarr really could jump from having 2-3 systems to having enough for tier 2 or more. But it can be defeated in this way (that will be more and more obvious when you get close to your goal and Minmatar keep saying to each other "gosh, if only they'd flip this/that system already"): Amarr alts. The better you are about implementing your plan (99.7% and... stop!), the fewer Amarr alts they would need to begin to dismantle it on their terms.

Anyway, it's worth trying, and since under the tier system 3 systems = 12 systems = 0 systems, a strategy that disfavors defensive plexing (since you don't want that extra system right now since you don't want having to defend it to distract you from contesting further systems) is not going to hurt you any. Even if you aren't able to jump up a tier at once, to contest multiple systems at a time, or constellations at a time, was always the best way to do things and can still yield large victories. It's opposed to parking everyone in one system for ten consecutive hours and having most of them be redundant, which was the height of strategy that I saw from anyone outside the 7th on either side, speaking mostly of the Minmatar.

Because being a good sport entails dropping 3 battleships, 2 guardians, a small battlecruiser gang, whatever you want to call it though space-friend. I too get scared when engaging 9 frigates. I avidly enjoy fighting against the Minmatar Militia, losing ships, being reckless, and just 'small' gang pvp for the most part is my favorite aspect of EVE.

On of these days you will figure out if you stick to frigates, destroyers, and the odd cruiser here and there, FWeddit will fight you all day. We'll lose ships, we'll kill ships; everyone will be happy. We are here for PvP, we arn't here however to support your :killboardstats: so you can beat your chest at how simply amazing you are when 15 hurricanes, 2 domi's, and a small cruiser gang wipes out 9 dudes in frigates.

I don't think you are in any position to judge or speculate on the prowess of anyone's 'propaganda' when I am unsure you yourself know what that word means. So here let me help you.

prop·a·gan·da   [prop-uh-gan-duh]
noun
1.
information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2.
the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3.
the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.


If it's true, is it still Propaganda Jade?

What makes you think you are the only one that said changes were gonna be bad? There were a lot of us that said this would likely end with one side not being able to recover. It looked like Caldari were going to go the same route as Amarr and lose all our space. Gals counted on it and Caldari expected it.

We instead fought back, and have now reached a almost even war zone control being 50/51 between Caldari & Gallente. We have 4 Gal systems vulnerable and have a few of our own close to vulnerable. Caldari fought out numbered and simply used better tactics to hold our head above water long enough for the new influx of numbers to FW to make a difference.

Amarr on other hand rolled over and stopped trying with corps like your own giving up.

edited.. also between Caldari & Gallente, Caldari has had more kills this week and for the month according to the FW stats in game. So those that try to claim we aren't fighting are full of it. (keep in mind it only counts war target kills & not neuts/pies)