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New dev blog: Ship balancing summer update

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Nagapito
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-06-14 13:23:46 UTC
I'm afraid the changes to the T1 electronic frigs are going to make the T2 EAF's even more irrelevant.....
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#82 - 2012-06-14 13:23:59 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Edit: never mind all the below, I missed a key point about this Summer update, the release of these minor changes will be for Winter?!

You call this balance? This is the lowest hanging fruit, the easiest set of changes to please the most existing and new players? The most key elements to vastly improving this game?

I'm also frustrated with the slow pace of this rebalance thing. I think they should have an entire team on ships and modules. But surely you cannot disagree with starting with the lowest hanging fruit?

Getting new players into ships that can make a difference is good for everyone.
Aemonchichi
Limited Access
#83 - 2012-06-14 13:25:01 UTC
PLEASE CCP :

answer me this - what do you mean by -

Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

please explain WHAT protection you mean when you talk of this ? remote rep ? a low ehp ship? ever heard of alpha ? pretty please dear developer that is reading this explain what this protection could be in your eyes ? we need to understand what u think if you want us to give you feedback

darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#84 - 2012-06-14 13:25:40 UTC
I've been having tons of fun with the new Incursus and Merlin and this sounds very promising. Can't wait!

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-06-14 13:25:42 UTC
Been waiting for another blog on this, and it did not disappoint - it all sounds fantastic, and the only downside is having to wait another 5 months for it Smile

"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.

Sarah xCalibre
Pod Liberation Authority
Kingless.
#86 - 2012-06-14 13:26:05 UTC
RedClaws wrote:
CCP,

Please realize that players with higher SP currently don't like flying destroyers and to a lesser degree frigates because of the clonecosts , for me it costs about 50-60 mil to replace my medical clone. The odds of getting podkilled in a light interdictor is quite high.

Having high skillpoints doesn't mean that the player also has a lot of isk or some way to make isk more efficiently than a lower skilled character. Sure, I don't deny that it helps but having 10 mil SP or 100mil SP doesn't really matter for the income of level 4 agent missions.

Thanks,
Red



What relevance does this even have to do with their rebalance of friggies and adding some more Destroyers? Just because we got pilots with over 100m SP we cant add anything smaller then battleships? Maybe you should post an idea about lowering clone cost.

On a personal note I like theese changes and additions, even as a pirate I really liked the mining barge changes and that friggie does look awesome, almost so awesome I must have one.

  • Sarah xCalibre
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-06-14 13:27:37 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
This is an absolute outrage.

I just changed my desktop background to a picture of young ladies holding guns in their underpants,

and now you release a pic of this big exciting chunky yellow spaceship,

and the poor young ladies are sent back to C:/Users/Benny/My Pictures for a month while the spaceship sits on desktop.

I wish you'd consider the young ladies in their underpants before you did things like this.



use photoshop or paint or something to resise the young ladies, their underwear and their guns into a decal and put it on the spaceship. There you will have fixed both your needs.
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darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#88 - 2012-06-14 13:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: darmwand
Sarah xCalibre wrote:

On a personal note I like theese changes and additions, even as a pirate I really liked the mining barge changes and that friggie does look awesome, almost so awesome I must have one.


Heh, yep, when I read the article that was the first time in, I suppose, forever that I was a little sad I wasn't a miner.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Grog Drinker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-06-14 13:32:16 UTC
Aemonchichi wrote:
PLEASE CCP :

answer me this - what do you mean by -

Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

please explain WHAT protection you mean when you talk of this ? remote rep ? a low ehp ship? ever heard of alpha ? pretty please dear developer that is reading this explain what this protection could be in your eyes ? we need to understand what u think if you want us to give you feedback



I came here expecting ganker tears and instead find more bears complaining about hulks getting ganked Straight.

Dude... just fly the new skiff.

The hulk is for a secure system (null) with support.
JamesCLK
#90 - 2012-06-14 13:32:39 UTC
Holy veldspar, a Skiff with Battleship-like EHP Shocked

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Damion Rayne
Panoptic
#91 - 2012-06-14 13:33:53 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
*snip* That wasn't really needed, please keep it civil. Spitfire

ROA

Sovai Elaaren
KABS Deep Recon Unit
#92 - 2012-06-14 13:34:46 UTC
Aemonchichi wrote:
PLEASE CCP :

answer me this - what do you mean by -

Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

please explain WHAT protection you mean when you talk of this ? remote rep ? a low ehp ship? ever heard of alpha ? pretty please dear developer that is reading this explain what this protection could be in your eyes ? we need to understand what u think if you want us to give you feedback



Looks like we're still going to get players who must have the highest yield regardless of how safe they are or how their fleets are composed. That's good news for Goonswarm. Smile
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#93 - 2012-06-14 13:34:58 UTC
"Protection" cannot protect you from an alpha gank.
Atomic Option
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-06-14 13:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Atomic Option
Awesome! Love all of it! Can't Wait!


Also: does anyone else think the new mining frigate looks like a Terran Mule from Starcraft2 ?
darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#95 - 2012-06-14 13:35:58 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
"Protection" cannot protect you from an alpha gank.


Paying attention can.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#96 - 2012-06-14 13:37:25 UTC
These are all fantastic changes. Really looking forward to them! Smile

"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."

-Cold Wind

Aemonchichi
Limited Access
#97 - 2012-06-14 13:39:52 UTC
well then ccp should clarify this

the hulk is designed to never come in a combat situation because its designed not to survie it - like that

not some vague "Protection" gibberish

how are we supposed to give feedback if ccp doesnt clarify what they are thinking when they talk like this
Liam Mirren
#98 - 2012-06-14 13:41:02 UTC
Proof CCP is full of carebears who want to empower non-effort lazy gameplay, mining barges with jetcan like cargo room?

Hello Kitty online, here we go.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Chris Wheeler
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-06-14 13:41:11 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
This is an absolute outrage.

I just changed my desktop background to a picture of young ladies holding guns in their underpants,

and now you release a pic of this big exciting chunky yellow spaceship,

and the poor young ladies are sent back to C:/Users/Benny/My Pictures for a month while the spaceship sits on desktop.

I wish you'd consider the young ladies in their underpants before you did things like this.



use photoshop or paint or something to resise the young ladies, their underwear and their guns into a decal and put it on the spaceship. There you will have fixed both your needs.


Or photoshop the frigs in place of the guns. Then everyone can ask "what are they mining?"
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-06-14 13:42:38 UTC
\o/

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