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[PI] Requesting advice/tips on P4 commodities
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Dale Thellere
Suddenly taken over
#1 - 2012-06-14 05:25:43 UTC
So I'm currently in a WH where I have access to the following:

(2) Barren
(2) Temperate
(2) Gas
(2) Lava

I'm looking to produce either Nano-Factory, Wetware Mainframe, or Organic Mortar Applicators, since those are the P4 commodities I'm able to produce with this planet composition. I'm able to make POS fuel, but I'd prefer to stay away from that since I don't have access to Ice Blocks.

I'm aware that the Nano-Factories, Weware Mainframes, and Organic Mortar Applicators are used in Starbase/Sov structures and I'm wondering if these are actually profitable to produce. I'm attempting to create a PI setup to have P4 production running 24/7 and obviously with POS fuels out of the picture - I'm looking for the next best thing I can produce and sell.

- I noticed that there's a significantly low amount of buy/sell orders and this is something that concerns me. *Is this something that I should really be concerned about?*
- I've been told that as far as P4 production is concerned, that it's POS fuel or nothing. *I'm not looking to produce POS fuel and I don't care if what I produce doesn't have the highest value per unit. I'm just looking to produce something that's more profitable than selling P3*

Thanks for the help!
Haffsol
#2 - 2012-06-14 14:44:06 UTC
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I'm just looking to produce something that's more profitable than selling P3*

It depends on the quantity you can produce other than the pure cost per unit. So, if you have to "sacrifice" 1 entire planet as a factory planet for your P4 then maybe it could be less profitable than producing more P3's.
I could be wrong, but that's why I produce P3's

In any case, your skill could cap your projects, since having CCU and IC at 5 can give you many more options than having them at 4. It's a matter of powergrid for your command centers and number of planets. But having them at 5 it's quite rare, so if you don't use PI alts and you have them at 4, I don't think your P4 production would be so high. Basically, having said skills at 4 allows you to install 2 ECU, 4 BIF and 2 AIF per planet, plus all the necessary heads to supply your BIF's.

I don't think that's enough to make P4 on a single char. Moreover: do you use your own POCO's?
Raphael Celestine
Celestine Inc.
#3 - 2012-06-15 10:43:21 UTC
Comparing the price of those three P4s to the price of the P3s you'd need to make them, NFs and WWMs sell for roughly 100k more than the components would have and OMAs for around 30-50k more.

This is ignoring import/export taxes and taking the lowest sell-order in Sinq Liason as the value for each product, so a rough estimate at best. You will have to pay more in taxes to make P4 than P3 (unless you're using POCOs with a 0% tax rate), but how much so depends heavily on how you've set things up.

As for the number of buy/sell orders, Dodixie looks like it moves maybe 100-200 of those products per day, with a few larger bursts every now and then. I'd estimate that the market probably supports about 7-10 AIFs running 24/7 for each product, although obviously you'll have to compete with other people to get those sales.

Hope that helps. Smile
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#4 - 2012-06-15 13:26:09 UTC
Agreed, there IS something to be said for getting into a market where the profit margin is lower but there is a much higher volume.

When I first started into PI proper, I was making a P3 that sold for ~55k each. After making a few thousand and having them sit there for ages, I decided to check the volume and saw it was insanely low. I then switched gears to a different P3 which sells for ~45k each, but has a MUCH higher and constant market volume. The constant demand was worth the 10k drop in price.

I have avoided P4s for this exact market volume reason.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Dale Thellere
Suddenly taken over
#5 - 2012-06-15 13:46:59 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Agreed, there IS something to be said for getting into a market where the profit margin is lower but there is a much higher volume.

When I first started into PI proper, I was making a P3 that sold for ~55k each. After making a few thousand and having them sit there for ages, I decided to check the volume and saw it was insanely low. I then switched gears to a different P3 which sells for ~45k each, but has a MUCH higher and constant market volume. The constant demand was worth the 10k drop in price.

I have avoided P4s for this exact market volume reason.


Sure, but if you make POS fuel I'd imagine it's incredibly easy to sell. There will never run out of a need for pos fuel, and with what like 960 blocks per day to fuel a Large POS I think it's a safe business.
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-15 13:52:36 UTC
Wetware Mainframes are one of the two hardest things to make in terms of m3 and resources extracted.
Nano-Factories are one of the two Easiest ones to make by m3.

If you want to export the most m3 equivalent compression, go with the Wetware, but it'll be harder to keep it gong 24/7.
If you want the easiest to run 24/7, go with Nano-Factories.

Good luck.
LordAssasin
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#7 - 2012-06-18 14:27:44 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
Wetware Mainframes are one of the two hardest things to make in terms of m3 and resources extracted.
Nano-Factories are one of the two Easiest ones to make by m3.

If you want to export the most m3 equivalent compression, go with the Wetware, but it'll be harder to keep it gong 24/7.
If you want the easiest to run 24/7, go with Nano-Factories.

Good luck.


not if you have the excel right, thing is you need to see how much of each resource you need to fuel 4 elite industry, cos on one planet you put 3 x (5 or 6 advance industry that will fuel like 3/4 of the time. but you have to fuel it every 1. 1/2 days:) or 2.
but all the good isk is coming from it an is good for m3 usage...so you will only take it every 2 monhts...
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