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I spit on my Panther

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Euripedies
Hot Droppin Cherry Poppers
#1 - 2012-06-14 03:47:05 UTC
My lip curls in disgust when I see the Panther in my hanger. I want to take it outside the station and make it into a garden tool.

sure it gets that 25% damage bonus, and the same for rate of fire, but for the love of the almighty space gods, WHY does it not get the covert ops cloak!

I spit on the panther, Im going to rat with it in the belts, I shall outfit it with meta 1 modules and undersized guns, and use the wrong ammo. This is all your fault CCP. Fix it. I did not train for years so I could fly a Battleship with training wheels. I may just go home and discard it on the edge of space somewhere and let it slowly decompose. training wheels and all.Evil
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#2 - 2012-06-14 03:57:25 UTC
It's useless because it doesn't have a covops cloak?

Nevermind the fact that it can jump itself and a small fleet into a system nearly invisibly, and move as fast as a battlecruiser while cloaked...

thhief ghabmoef

Euripedies
Hot Droppin Cherry Poppers
#3 - 2012-06-14 04:03:48 UTC
yes, it does have a few fancy gewgaws to divert my attention, but not being able to warp cloaked is a gimp. if you have a cyno to jump to then great, go for it, if you dont, and you have to go thru a gate, then that whole warping cloaked thing takes on new meaning.
The panther is cool, NOT as cool as I wanted it to be and CCP should get their act together and fix a ship that rightly should be a covert ops cloaker. Its the "last word in covert ops" as they say.Bear
Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#4 - 2012-06-14 04:10:19 UTC
Is that only non covops ship that can warp immediately after dropping cloak, assuming no MWD. Run off to a safespot, and just WAIT until you get a cyno out. Problem solved.
Aaron Greil
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-06-14 04:29:13 UTC
There is fundamental design errors in all blackops. OP, I'm in the same boat. I have a well-fit redeemer in my hanger that is little more than a pretty ornament.

Redeemer can't do anything in combat an Armageddon can't do twice as well, I'm sure its the same with the other black ops.

My biggest problem has never had anything to do with escaping danger, its been blowing my cover when I need to warp. Honestly blackops need some way to conceal themselves while warping. Currently the only way to do this in the game is covops cloak, though it wouldn't be that hard if CCP wanted to get creative. While I think that they still need a combat boost, like real hitpoints and powergrid, they would at least be usable for individuals or small corps if they fixed the whole detectable-while-in-warp business.

Also, they need a bridge and jump fuel consumption buff.

The most angering thing about this is that CCP refuses to give us an answer to whether they are even considering looking at blackops again.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-06-14 05:01:24 UTC
I suddenly want to train Panther. Damn you, whine threads. Damn you.

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Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#7 - 2012-06-14 07:16:12 UTC
Aaron Greil wrote:
There is fundamental design errors in all blackops. OP, I'm in the same boat. I have a well-fit redeemer in my hanger that is little more than a pretty ornament.

Redeemer can't do anything in combat an Armageddon can't do twice as well, I'm sure its the same with the other black ops.

My biggest problem has never had anything to do with escaping danger, its been blowing my cover when I need to warp. Honestly blackops need some way to conceal themselves while warping. Currently the only way to do this in the game is covops cloak, though it wouldn't be that hard if CCP wanted to get creative. While I think that they still need a combat boost, like real hitpoints and powergrid, they would at least be usable for individuals or small corps if they fixed the whole detectable-while-in-warp business.

Also, they need a bridge and jump fuel consumption buff.

The most angering thing about this is that CCP refuses to give us an answer to whether they are even considering looking at blackops again.


Nice post.
CCP has given an indirect indication by painting them red in the phail chart at funfest methinks.

However the part in bold in the quoted text also gave me a brainfart: What if the made it so that a BO is invisible on D-scan while in warp? Take a moment to digest and then discuss.
Jennam Musana
Alternative Management Solutions
#8 - 2012-06-14 08:38:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennam Musana
As I have met Euripedies many times through my scanner I fully endorse his rake filled lippery lope.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-06-14 09:27:24 UTC
I spit on your Panther too.

All the cool kids are doing it!

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-14 10:07:04 UTC
Black ops are terrible, we know, move on.

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Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-06-14 10:19:19 UTC
Yes - BO - stands for ...


remember, in order of moderately crap to utter crap ...


  1. Widow - because of Widow as they occasionally say
  2. Redeemer - because it can hit at range and has cargo space!
  3. Panther - because it isn't a Sin
  4. Sin - LOL


Black ops - typically - a bunch of very low damage, thin skinned ships jump in with a hauler as backup! Go figure. And you want to do this with a 1b lump of turd?

Just reprocess it and sell the goodies. It will be less annoying.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-06-14 12:22:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Isn't Black Ops that ship class that can make an invisible jump portal or something?
So OP wants to strip this role and have a battleship sized ship that has a T2 cruiser resists and covert ops cloak. Well, that seems pretty fair. In fact that makes perfect sense. So much sense it should be on Sisi right now. Which dev is working on it? I want my Cov Ops Marauder right now. I want something I can use to be safe in lowsec, to kill rats and stuff. In fact why there isn't a Cov Ops Capital Ship? It's the obvious next step. They don't have T2 capitals, do they? Let the first T2 capital be a cov ops! Why not? Tier it up!

Or... you should read ship specs before training for it because it looks cool.
Euripedies
Hot Droppin Cherry Poppers
#13 - 2012-06-14 14:06:05 UTC
I dont care what you nay sayers say, my panther is weak and pitiful and good for nothing.

If it could warp cloaked I would take it all back, but it dont. Fail CCP fail....

I may just take it into hi-sec and steal from a miners can in a 1.0 system, then let them kill it with their fail-fit rifters and other h-sec ships and fits.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-06-14 14:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
You are weak and pitiful and good for nothing.
Stop asking for changes because you ****** up.
It's not the games fault you wasted time training for a ship that doens't do what you expected. The specs are there for everyone to see, now why someone queues more than a month of training before reading it I have no idea.
I think the problem is people play EvE thinking a bigger and more skill demanding ship is a 'leveled up' ship.
My advice, advertise "Black Ops pilot" sell your toon, skill up for Tengu. Problem solved.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-14 14:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Euripedies wrote:
My lip curls in disgust when I see the Panther in my hanger. I want to take it outside the station and make it into a garden tool.

sure it gets that 25% damage bonus, and the same for rate of fire, but for the love of the almighty space gods, WHY does it not get the covert ops cloak!

I spit on the panther, Im going to rat with it in the belts, I shall outfit it with meta 1 modules and undersized guns, and use the wrong ammo. This is all your fault CCP. Fix it. I did not train for years so I could fly a Battleship with training wheels. I may just go home and discard it on the edge of space somewhere and let it slowly decompose. training wheels and all.Evil



You made me smile IRL, thx Lol

Edit: One of my alts is training for Widow thou, just to haul stuff in to null in all safety. As you can see, your Panther is still useful, be inventive Lol

brb

Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-14 15:25:53 UTC
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
Isn't Black Ops that ship class that can make an invisible jump portal or something?
So OP wants to strip this role and have a battleship sized ship that has a T2 cruiser resists and covert ops cloak. Well, that seems pretty fair. ....



Invisible - what the hell are you on about. Cyno alt in local is cloaky! God no - I cant tell! 10 people appear in local suddenly ... god no - I dont see them.

Local is the biggest issue with black ops! You stick out like a beacon!
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-06-14 15:49:13 UTC
A good cynoer could drop them close enough so you dont have time to warp? I really dont know, I don't do Black Ops myself.
Still, being able to light a covert cyno seems like a hell lot of strategic advantage.
Anyway my point was that Black Ops is not a ship for solo play, wich seems what OP wants it to be.
Aaron Greil
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-06-14 16:18:06 UTC
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
A good cynoer could drop them close enough so you dont have time to warp? I really dont know, I don't do Black Ops myself.
Still, being able to light a covert cyno seems like a hell lot of strategic advantage.
Anyway my point was that Black Ops is not a ship for solo play, wich seems what OP wants it to be.



The whole concept of "a ship not being for solo play" is an incredibly greedy concept. Lets make two players train down separate tracks just to use the basic functionality of the ship. I can understand for capitals, since anyone can train cyno 1, but cyno 5 is a ridiculous price. Also the concept that a ship can be used solely for pvp is just as ridiculous. A ship might have a well defined role, but it is up to the player to decide how to use it. HACs are a perfect example. They see frequent use in both pvp and pve. So what is wrong with blackops being used for exploration?

The problem with them is that they don't have the tools to do their intended purpose. CCP was worried about them being too powerful, but so what? we have plenty more OP ships, and at least these have a training queue a mile long.

They seriously need to be reworked. Either like a full combat cloaky (which CCP seems to be terrified to do) or with proper EWAR like force recons.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-06-14 17:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
fail post
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-06-14 17:26:12 UTC
double fail
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