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Goonswarm Behavioral Correction Initiative: Hulkageddon Infinity, Jr. League

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#321 - 2012-06-15 13:29:44 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Peta Michalek wrote:
I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.

It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it.


Economy 101:

- You kill many T2 miner ships and get rich with Technetium

- Enough miners smarten up and switch to T1. You don't get as much rich with Technetium any more.

- You put pressure on T1 ships so part of miners return buying T2: you get rich with Technetium again.


In what universe does it make sense that continued cheap ship losses immediately make you switch to something far more expensive.


It's like when you trim branches. You cut them one side and they grow on the other again.

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Ramon Sohei
The Florez Law Firm
#322 - 2012-06-15 13:31:57 UTC
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In what universe does it make sense that continued cheap ship losses immediately make you switch to something far more expensive.


I can think of some RL examples. Lol
flakeys
Doomheim
#323 - 2012-06-15 14:00:17 UTC
Temple Priest wrote:
thank you GSF and corestwo

by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone Sad



Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#324 - 2012-06-15 14:07:45 UTC
flakeys wrote:

Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.

Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#325 - 2012-06-15 14:08:05 UTC
corestwo wrote:
For all you tl;dr nerds: We're paying bounties for T1 mining barges, 25m per ten kills.

lol.

to OP: you should train skill "Speech" at least to lvl1 to present your ideas in short and compact form Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#326 - 2012-06-15 14:09:22 UTC
I felt this was overly compact actually, I wasn't really in my groove posting this.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Citsatllort
Doomheim
#327 - 2012-06-15 14:13:36 UTC
Congratulations on your continued CCP sanctioned player harassment.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#328 - 2012-06-15 14:21:12 UTC
Citsatllort wrote:
Congratulations on your continued CCP sanctioned player harassment.


Harassment is a bannable offense in EvE. There's a specific petition category for it, and it's answered very quickly. Every time I've reported a suicide threat, the petition's been answered within minutes.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
flakeys
Doomheim
#329 - 2012-06-15 14:37:01 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
flakeys wrote:

Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.

Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.


Hahaha 'real eve players' , priceless.

Who gives a **** how they mine.I mined back in the old days , boring as hell and the isk/hour is crap.I'd say your nuts to not be afk mining.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#330 - 2012-06-15 14:38:56 UTC
fabulousli obvious seems to believe that "sandbox" implies that you can play the game however you wish and that CCP must accommodate your wishes and nobody may interfere with your gameplay

he is however wrong

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#331 - 2012-06-15 14:40:42 UTC
Weaselior wrote:

highsec miner - entitled, bleating that he deserves to mine in perfect safety in highsec.


I've yet to see any miner make that statement. I've see them say a destroyer shouldn't be able to gank a hulk before concord can kill it but that's completely different.

But anyway, thanks for all the hard, selfless work you do to improve the game for us all Goonswarm... I wish we had more guys like you instead of some of the other in your face circle jerking alliances out there. Roll

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#332 - 2012-06-15 14:50:44 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
flakeys wrote:
Temple Priest wrote:
thank you GSF and corestwo

by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone Sad



Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.


Well, yes, that's right. Eve isn't a game that is intended to be played alone. That's why the corporation system exists, it allows us to group together to accomplish things we couldn't accomplish alone.

Except for you, I guess, the great Eve player of all time.

Rek Seven wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

highsec miner - entitled, bleating that he deserves to mine in perfect safety in highsec.


I've yet to see any miner make that statement. I've see them say a destroyer shouldn't be able to gank a hulk before concord can kill it but that's completely different.

But anyway, thanks for all the hard, selfless work you do to improve the game for us all Goonswarm... I wish we had more guys like you instead of some of the other in your face circle jerking alliances out there. Roll


No one overtly says it, but the constant begging to make highsec perfectly safe certainly makes it clean that that is what they expect. It is possible to derive the true meaning from someone's behavior without them explicitly telling you what it is that they really want.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#333 - 2012-06-15 15:28:38 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:

No one overtly says it, but the constant begging to make highsec perfectly safe certainly makes it clean that that is what they expect. It is possible to derive the true meaning from someone's behavior without them explicitly telling you what it is that they really want.


Yeah and it's also possible to misunderstand someones meaning or twist their words to suit your needs.

Again nobody is asking CCP to make highsec perfectly safe but the fact is - the punishment does not fit the crime and with you paying people to gank, the ganker have become the ones indulging in risk free gameplay.

You can train a character capable of ganking a poorly tanked hulk in a short time and then throw that character away once your done with it. You could also invest a little more into a character by getting him into a tornado > gank a few hulks > get banned from HS > grind your standing back up and get paid by concord for your trouble > rinse and repeat. Where is the risk there?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#334 - 2012-06-15 15:31:00 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
flakeys wrote:

Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.

Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.

Sheesh.
flakeys
Doomheim
#335 - 2012-06-15 15:43:27 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Temple Priest wrote:
thank you GSF and corestwo

by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone Sad



Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.


Well, yes, that's right. Eve isn't a game that is intended to be played alone. That's why the corporation system exists, it allows us to group together to accomplish things we couldn't accomplish alone.

Except for you, I guess, the great Eve player of all time.



See even comprehensive reading on your own is becoming too hard for you sheep.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#336 - 2012-06-15 15:49:44 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:

You can train a character capable of ganking a poorly tanked hulk in a short time and then throw that character away once your done with it.

This is bannable.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#337 - 2012-06-15 15:52:59 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:

Again nobody is asking CCP to make highsec perfectly safe but the fact is - the punishment does not fit the crime and with you paying people to gank, the ganker have become the ones indulging in risk free gameplay.


Yes, people are. They are overtly saying it, too.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#338 - 2012-06-15 15:56:25 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:

You can train a character capable of ganking a poorly tanked hulk in a short time and then throw that character away once your done with it.

This is bannable.


The work around is throw away trial accounts, which has been done heavily every time.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#339 - 2012-06-15 16:06:38 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:

You can train a character capable of ganking a poorly tanked hulk in a short time and then throw that character away once your done with it.

This is bannable.


The work around is throw away trial accounts, which has been done heavily every time.

Nobody's defending this practice and I've never seen any evidence it's actually common, merely wild accusations from highsec miners. I personally, as you may note, am -10, I own two more characters that can't enter highsec (one -10, one a shameful -6.3) and have never ganked on anyone else. Well, except for my concord-pulling alt who is -1.9 and got trained into a 0.0 industry alt.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#340 - 2012-06-15 16:08:15 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Rek Seven wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:

No one overtly says it, but the constant begging to make highsec perfectly safe certainly makes it clean that that is what they expect. It is possible to derive the true meaning from someone's behavior without them explicitly telling you what it is that they really want.


Again nobody is asking CCP to make highsec perfectly safe but the fact is - the punishment does not fit the crime and with you paying people to gank, the ganker have become the ones indulging in risk free gameplay.



You see, you're mistaken here. There are quite a few people on these very forums who are specifically asking for just that.

Further, if we have the resources and influence to pay gankers, then thanks to the sandbox, we're allowed to do that. If miners don't like it, they need to make a low or nullsec alliance and work together for protection and profit. Begging for CCP to swoop in and alter the game to fit their play style isn't playing the game at all.

I know I'll need to say it again, so I'll say it here. A sandbox does not allow everyone to play however they want with no interference from other players. Players are free to interfere with eachother all they like. There are no boundaries in a sandbox. If I walk over to where you are and **** in your sand, I can do that. If you don't have the resources and support to stop me, well, too bad.

All the tools they need to protect themselves are available in game. Yeah, there isn't much risk in ganking highsec miners, but the highsec miners choose their own risk. They know we gank and they know we do it in Empire. Only an idiot would continue to mine there and repeatedly get popped. Time for the miners to adapt and move out of highsec. This is a sandbox, and if they can't beat us, they need to find a way to at least avoid us.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.