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Goonswarm Behavioral Correction Initiative: Hulkageddon Infinity, Jr. League

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#241 - 2012-06-15 02:00:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Maddy Joringer wrote:

Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?


You've misread my post. I said that the vast majority of people we are destroying do not actually play the game. They automate it. Most of them will never spend their money on ships to PvP; the very thought of getting into a fight with an actual human being terrifies them. The only motivation most of them have is to sell their ISK for US Dollars. Those that don't are simply motivated by seeing their wallet increase and buying better modules and ships to make their wallet increase more.

I'm not dictating how people play the game, I want them to actually play it!

And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#242 - 2012-06-15 02:00:57 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Mia MuuMaa wrote:
So let me get this right....

all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......

right?

No, because that would involved actually adapting to the conditions in the game and using a knowledge of game mechanics to overcome problems.

They'll just continue to whine to CCP to take care of their in-game challenges for them.

Heh, well... yeah I don't think they would go WHing.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#243 - 2012-06-15 02:03:39 UTC
Wormholes are full of people who are already highly experienced at adapting to changing game mechanics and conditions and used to dealing with odd situations. Empire miners would be wheat before the thresher to wormhole inhabitants. Of course they would never go into one in the first place, I don't think there's any botting software that can probe out a wormhole.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#244 - 2012-06-15 02:05:58 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:
Mia MuuMaa wrote:
So let me get this right....

all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......

right?


Only after the mining barge hunt fails as well, new bounties are put on mining battleships and any vessels found mining, that and also fails to drive mineral prices back up. And they're on a deadline now that CCP announced exhumer changes for the winter. Should be fun to watch tho.

lowends have skyrocketed: it's highends that are slumping, but you can't mine highends in empire so if we had 1t in minerals but were losing money it would have to be highends

sorry but your allegations don't even make any sense


They're not trying to make sense. Pubbies have the desperate need to manufacture victory for themselves where there is none.

"Oh you silly goons, you only made 80% profit this time around, and while you control a large chunk of the mineral market, I'm assuming you can't sell any of it. Oh, you goons are just too cute :smug:"

They can't really attack our effectiveness, so instead, they go after how Hulkageddon isn't a new idea anymore, or how miners don't really care what we're doing, or how (they blindly assume) we aren't profiting as much this time around.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#245 - 2012-06-15 02:07:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddy Joringer
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:

Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?


And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me.


How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor...

Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this

if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego .. Lol
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#246 - 2012-06-15 02:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Henchmen 21 wrote:
A few thoughts....

So we now ridiculously high priced basic minerals and thus anything made from them. Meanwhile there is an organized attack on players likely under 2-3 months old. This is going to result in a universe where a new players have to either spend a fortune in real money or spend their first few months saving for a cruiser.

So why would anyone even bother to stay with this game if starting from scratch? I'm sure I am not the only one who doesn't find grinding for isk as a leisure activity. It was everything I could do with that isk that was fun. People may have played EVE back when it started and everything was super expensive but there are many many more options for people to spend their free time on now. I don't mine and couldn't care less about ganking hulks but no new players is going to lead to a very stagnant universe. Careful what you wish for you might just get it.



We do this crazy **** in goonspace sometimes where we all mine in hulks, but we have intel guys watching for gankers. Sometimes we even have battleships guarding us while we mine, just in case.

So I guess mining in numbers with an appropriate guard might be a good idea? I know it's hard to get everyone with a common goal together to pull this off, though. Maybe CCP should look into some kind of corporation system in which everyone works together to accomplish a given goal?

BILLY TH3 KID wrote:
" New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up. "

Eat That S#!T Goondouches! you can bring a fleet of these "cheap" dessys all day long and they'll go POP! before you get shields to 50%.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


There it is again, manufacturing a victory where there is none. This change hasn't even happened yet, and you are already gloating like you actually did something. It's not like you even overcame us, you just begged CCP to do it for you, and even then, we're going to find a way around it. Unlike pubbies, we actually play the game and are capable of adapting to challenges standing in the path of our goals.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#247 - 2012-06-15 02:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddy Joringer
Quote:
We do this crazy **** in goonspace sometimes where we all mine in hulks, but we have intel guys watching for gankers. Sometimes we even have battleships guarding us while we mine, just in case.

So I guess mining in numbers with an appropriate guard might be a good idea? I know it's hard to get everyone with a common goal together to pull this off, though. Maybe CCP should look into some kind of corporation system in which everyone works together to accomplish a given goal?


I actually support something of this sort . But in high sec, where concord shoots u for attacking a ganker preemptively. it wont work to well , unless high sec combat mechanics changes...
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#248 - 2012-06-15 02:14:22 UTC
If I were going to mine in high sec in an expensive ship, I'd go to one of the numerous .6 or .5 systems with no one in them. The other day I did missions for two hours in a .5 system and all of three people were in Local. Whenever someone new came in, I'd look at their info in the security status. I didn't encounter anyone with a negative score.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#249 - 2012-06-15 02:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:

Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?


And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me.


How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor...

Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this

if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego .. Lol


I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards.

To date I have not managed to gank a single mining battleship or cruiser. If you are having difficulties in having your barge blown up, perhaps you should try one of those. Any T1 Battleship capable of fitting seven or more miners pulls in nearly the same yield as a Covetor. Ospreys and Scythes are nearly free while still sucking down ridiculous quantities of ore. It really isn't my fault that you're taking no measure to protect yourself. Mindless whining, contrary to what you might think, doesn't actually protect your barge.

And look at those two posts above mine that have all sorts of great ideas in them as well. But don't let those tips get in the way of your bitching.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#250 - 2012-06-15 02:19:05 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Quote:

Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ? .. Soo much for Sandbox . Can i get any source for saying that most mining barges are bots. Some legitimate source ? People buy mining barges to get money they can prolly use later for pvp or something else. You don't tell people how to play . Attacking a hulk is ok, coz a hulk can tank. Attacking a mining barge is down right pathetic... Coz mining barges are completely helpless ...


Why is the sandbox concept so hard for everyone to get here?

We can play the game however we like. If that means we want to stomp over to your corner of the sandbox and **** in it, we can do that. It's up to you to stop us if you don't like it. You're just as free to **** in our corner as well. The Sandbox concept does not stipulate anywhere that we are obligated to allow you to do whatever you want.

If you want to mine AFK, find a way to make it work, but we are not in any way obligated to just let you do it if we don't want to.

Maddy Joringer wrote:
Quote:
We do this crazy **** in goonspace sometimes where we all mine in hulks, but we have intel guys watching for gankers. Sometimes we even have battleships guarding us while we mine, just in case.

So I guess mining in numbers with an appropriate guard might be a good idea? I know it's hard to get everyone with a common goal together to pull this off, though. Maybe CCP should look into some kind of corporation system in which everyone works together to accomplish a given goal?


I actually support something of this sort . But in high sec, where concord shoots u for attacking a ganker preemptively. it wont work to well , unless high sec combat mechanics changes...


So then don't mine in high-sec. That is where we gank. You know that is where we gank, and you know you can't shoot first. Go somewhere you can. Set up a corp, get a POS, get intel that is worth a damn, get guards and mine in hulks afk all you like.

Don't even tell me you can't get a corp set up. There are so many crying pubbies bitching about hulkageddon that you could easily form a massive corp together. Hell, that many hulks in low/nullsec could even take the mineral market back. Too bad none of you is able to work together long enough without someone stealing everything and running to actually make something like that happen.

Seriously, why are you pubbies so damned afraid to just play the game? I'm sorry you can't mine veldspar in hisec, but you know that's dangerous, so stop doing it. Adapt. Eve is all about adaptation, so play the game.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#251 - 2012-06-15 02:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddy Joringer
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:

Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?


And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me.


How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor...

Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this

if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego .. Lol


I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards.

To date I have not managed to gank a single mining battleship or cruiser. If you are having difficulties in having your barge blown up, perhaps you should try one of those. Any T1 Battleship capable of fitting seven or more miners pulls in nearly the same yield as a Covetor. Ospreys and Scythes are nearly free while still sucking down ridiculous quantities of ore. It really isn't my fault that you're taking no measure to protect yourself. Mindless whining, contrary to what you might think, doesn't actually protect your barge.

And look at those two posts above mine that have all sorts of great ideas in them as well. But don't let those tips get in the way of your bitching.


For once, i have never been ganked..

Battleships are 3-4 times costlier than any new player can actually afford. You could get a retriever for as low as 6-7 mill and fix it up by 12-15 mill max. Can i really say the same for a battleship. Fixing battleship with miners with barely any cargo space available only makes things a lot more harder for something which is lot more costlier for any new player .. some lee way should be given to new players. am all for killing bots . But in a game world like eve . New players must be given time and energy to learn the game and understand the game without them being punished so much from experienced players who know ins and outs of the game .



Quote:
Why is the sandbox concept so hard for everyone to get here?

We can play the game however we like. If that means we want to stomp over to your corner of the sandbox and **** in it, we can do that. It's up to you to stop us if you don't like it. You're just as free to **** in our corner as well. The Sandbox concept does not stipulate anywhere that we are obligated to allow you to do whatever you want.

If you want to mine AFK, find a way to make it work, but we are not in any way obligated to just let you do it if we don't want to.



This is nothing more than selective reading,trolling and flame baiting. If you actually tried to read my posts you would not have replied like this and if you did read the posts you simply ignoring the points i have made and going GA GA over all the Eevil minerz who muzt be destroooyed Lol
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#252 - 2012-06-15 02:29:50 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:

Battleships are 3-4 times costlier than any new player can actually afford. You could get a retriever for as low as 6-7 mill and fix it up by 12-15 mill max. Can i really say the same for a battleship. Fixing battleship with miners with barely any cargo space available only makes things a lot more harder for something which is lot more costlier for any new player .. some lee way should be given to new players. am all for killing bots . But in a game world like eve . New players must be given time and energy to learn the game and understand the game without them being punished so much from experienced players who know ins and outs of the game .


If only there were so way for new players to join more experienced players and benefit from their experience and resources. Some sort of group that could cooperate with each other to accomplish goals that might normally be out of their reach...

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#253 - 2012-06-15 02:34:34 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:

This is nothing more than selective reading,trolling and flame baiting. If you actually tried to read my posts you would not have replied like this and if you did read the posts you simply ignoring the points have made and going GA GA over all the Eevil minerz who muzt be destroooyed Lol


I have no problem with miners. I mine.

You just don't like that you can't mine afk in empire and that new players get swept up in it. So form a corp that accepts both vets and newbies and teaches them the game while protecting them. You know, like goonswarm does. Hell, we even give out free ships and isk just to get them up to speed that much faster. I was ratting anomalies just last night with two newbies in their cute little Noctis' hoovering up the dozens of wrecks left behind.

Work together with new players, help them, protect them. This is so easy to do in a corporation. Don't mine in hisec, just get a low or nullsec corp and mine there. With decent intel and protection, its a lot safer, and you get high end ore.

Just, do SOMETHING to try and fix the problem you're having. Don't whine to CCP for meta-game assistance, do what we do and actually play the game.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#254 - 2012-06-15 02:34:59 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:

Battleships are 3-4 times costlier than any new player can actually afford. You could get a retriever for as low as 6-7 mill and fix it up by 12-15 mill max. Can i really say the same for a battleship. Fixing battleship with miners with barely any cargo space available only makes things a lot more harder for something which is lot more costlier for any new player .. some lee way should be given to new players. am all for killing bots . But in a game world like eve . New players must be given time and energy to learn the game and understand the game without them being punished so much from experienced players who know ins and outs of the game .


If only there were so way for new players to join more experienced players and benefit from their experience and resources. Some sort of group that could cooperate with each other to accomplish goals that might normally be out of their reach...


there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other. I remember playing a game called freelancer where pvp was allowed everywhere after one reached lvl20..

The gameworld and its players automatically ended up having pirates/police players/mercenary escorts for miners and haulers. YOu would actually see a merc faction escort a hauler from one place to another. Hauler would give them 30 - 50 % of their profits . Mercs are happy , Miners would have constant police protection. Put pirates had a hard life but when they succeeded it made them rich. Am hopijg one day ill see EVE like that...
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2012-06-15 02:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddy Joringer
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:

This is nothing more than selective reading,trolling and flame baiting. If you actually tried to read my posts you would not have replied like this and if you did read the posts you simply ignoring the points have made and going GA GA over all the Eevil minerz who muzt be destroooyed Lol


I have no problem with miners. I mine.

You just don't like that you can't mine afk in empire and that new players get swept up in it. So form a corp that accepts both vets and newbies and teaches them the game while protecting them. You know, like goonswarm does. Hell, we even give out free ships and isk just to get them up to speed that much faster. I was ratting anomalies just last night with two newbies in their cute little Noctis' hoovering up the dozens of wrecks left behind.

Work together with new players, help them, protect them. This is so easy to do in a corporation. Don't mine in hisec, just get a low or nullsec corp and mine there. With decent intel and protection, its a lot safer, and you get high end ore.

Just, do SOMETHING to try and fix the problem you're having. Don't whine to CCP for meta-game assistance, do what we do and actually play the game.


For f**k sake read my posts before replying .....am not gonna repeat one thing 1000 times

Where the f**k do you see me support afk mining ? Quote me
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#256 - 2012-06-15 02:38:55 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:

there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other.


Not a single thing you stated here is actually true. My own alliance is living proof of this if you're familiar with how we operate, "Hello newbie, welcome to your first day in Eve. Pod yourself to 0.0 and never look back!"

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#257 - 2012-06-15 02:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Maddy Joringer wrote:

there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other. I remember playing a game called freelancer where pvp was allowed everywhere after one reached lvl20..


Entirely untrue, form a corporation. Most of GW is newbies. Most of the big corps in nullsec and lowsec accept newbies.

Quote:

The gameworld and its players automatically ended up having pirates/police players/mercenary escorts for miners and haulers. YOu would actually see a merc faction escort a hauler from one place to another. Hauler would give them 30 - 50 % of their profits . Mercs are happy , Miners would have constant police protection. Put pirates had a hard life but when they succeeded it made them rich. Am hopijg one day ill see EVE like that...


So form a god damned corporation that does that. God, you are so ******* dense. That is exactly what the corporation system in Eve was intended for. Make a police corp, make a merc corp, make any kind of corp that offers protection for miners. You're allowed to do that.

DO IT.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#258 - 2012-06-15 02:40:30 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
If only there were so way for new players to join more experienced players and benefit from their experience and resources. Some sort of group that could cooperate with each other to accomplish goals that might normally be out of their reach...


there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other.
[/quote]

Both Goonswarm Federation and Test Alliance Please Ignore would like to have a word with you.

We're both heavily invested in making newbees lives far easier and in fact have programs to incentivize being a newbee in our alliances.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#259 - 2012-06-15 02:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:

there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other.

Not a single thing you stated here is actually true. My own alliance is living proof of this if you're familiar with how we operate, "Hello newbie, welcome to your first day in Eve. Pod yourself to 0.0 and never look back!"

The cute newbees reporting people in intel because they haven't fixed their overview to not freak out at people with -10 sec status...

The best one was this 2-day old one who got on, was authed and everything and told us "hey everyone here in highsec is freaking out because of me"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#260 - 2012-06-15 02:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddy Joringer
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:

there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other.


Not a single thing you stated here is actually true. My own alliance is living proof of this if you're familiar with how we operate, "Hello newbie, welcome to your first day in Eve. Pod yourself to 0.0 and never look back!"


if that's true.. gratz to you folks ..

IF CCP made like 20 systems as rookie system where people learn and the rest as PVP systems. things would automatically work out fine. the biggest problem is concord...