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Goonswarm Behavioral Correction Initiative: Hulkageddon Infinity, Jr. League

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Betrinna Cantis
#221 - 2012-06-15 01:26:01 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
ok this has me slightly curious.

I understood hulkageddon, it made sense, hulks are supposed to be tough and flying them with paper tank purely to max yield was begging for trouble. People who flew them in such a manner had hell coming on them. Tanking up a hulk and taking steps which would reduce max yield but enhance survivability - ie forward thinking and preparedness were usefull things for people to take on board.

The issue is what sort of "Behavioral Correction Initiative" is there by killing the standard barges? They cant fit tank, they dont have the cpu or powergrid to tank up (yes i know this by attempting to fit a simple dcu onto my covetor) and as mentioned theyre easily killable solo in a ship that could come up to barely 1.5m isk. Not to mention that if a player took the industrial path they can easily be flying a retriever before they leave rookie chat (trust me, i was). So in theory players barely a few weeks old are now targeted as well.

This appears like nothing to do with making people realise they need to fly for survivability instead of iskability. I would like to get the general idea on the concept/reasoning.

+1

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#222 - 2012-06-15 01:28:56 UTC
BILLY TH3 KID wrote:
" New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up. "

Eat That S#!T Goondouches! you can bring a fleet of these "cheap" dessys all day long and they'll go POP! before you get shields to 50%.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Your ISK per hour will be on par with mining in a battleship. So nothing will change. You hear of many mining Rokh ganks?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#223 - 2012-06-15 01:29:00 UTC
But but but I thought CCP and goons were BFF's for life? Why would CCP buff mining barges?

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#224 - 2012-06-15 01:29:17 UTC
Henchmen 21 wrote:
A few thoughts....

So we now ridiculously high priced basic minerals and thus anything made from them. Meanwhile there is an organized attack on players likely under 2-3 months old. This is going to result in a universe where a new players have to either spend a fortune in real money or spend their first few months saving for a cruiser.

So why would anyone even bother to stay with this game if starting from scratch? I'm sure I am not the only one who doesn't find grinding for isk as a leisure activity. It was everything I could do with that isk that was fun. People may have played EVE back when it started and everything was super expensive but there are many many more options for people to spend their free time on now. I don't mine and couldn't care less about ganking hulks but no new players is going to lead to a very stagnant universe. Careful what you wish for you might just get it.

Cascade Imminent is offering "mining passes" with upgraded systems, guaranteed buy orders and logistics for competitive rates fyi, contact me for details.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2012-06-15 01:35:22 UTC
Dear friends, I have decided I don't want to gank stuff myself so I am going to pay you a welfare wage to do it for me.

Form a line to the left for Tier 1 Welfare cheques.
Form a line to the right for Tier 2 welfare cheques.

Thank you for being a tool
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2012-06-15 01:38:55 UTC
This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .

This entire thread is created for attention anyway
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#227 - 2012-06-15 01:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Maddy Joringer wrote:
This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .

This entire thread is created for attention anyway


You're dead clever, you. Nobody's yet made that claim. It's a revelation from on high.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#228 - 2012-06-15 01:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Maddy Joringer wrote:
This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .

This entire thread is created for attention anyway


Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss.

Eve will not only survive, but culling the folks that go out of their way to find ways to run Eve while not actually tabbed into the game; will cause the game to flourish more than it already is. Greater conflict will bring greater interest.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#229 - 2012-06-15 01:46:57 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:

Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality?


Except for the whole "has never been done this way or on this scale ever" thing.

In other news, shooting missiles/turrets at spaceships is unoriginal and rehashed.


Actually not true you did it 5 times before.
The first Hulkasgeddon could have been considered emergent but this is nothing more then modifying the rules and rewards.
The only thing that has changed is that you are now paying people to do it.

Sorry but like most commercials these days.
Filled with hype and grand proposals, but in fact it is same old stuff just put in a different package.
You would think marketing could come up with something new.


Yes, you're right. Goons truly are on the losing side of this. Sure, we profit massively off of it, but it isn't brand new.

We'll leave in shame now.

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If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#230 - 2012-06-15 01:47:24 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:
This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .

This entire thread is created for attention anyway


Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss.



CCP Screegs thinks he doing a good job swatting the bots... you say otherwise?
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2012-06-15 01:49:04 UTC
BILLY TH3 KID wrote:

Eat That S#!T Goondouches! you can bring a fleet of these "cheap" dessys all day long and they'll go POP! before you get shields to 50%.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Of course with only one Strip Miner the yield from this ship will be so low that the people we're already blowing up won't bother flying them. The prudent miners are already using battleships or remaining in their Hulks and utilizing the arcane and ancient technique of, "Not Being Tabbed out of the Game While Mining."

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#232 - 2012-06-15 01:50:13 UTC
Simetraz wrote:

Still not emergent though, I did agree that the first Hulkagedden was emergent, but lets face it number 5 might be the biggest success story but it is no longer emergent.


It doesn't necessarily have to be brand new to be emergent, you know.

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If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#233 - 2012-06-15 01:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
AFK Hauler wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:
This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .

This entire thread is created for attention anyway


Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss.



CCP Screegs thinks he doing a good job swatting the bots... you say otherwise?


Screegs is doing a fantastic job. But there will always be more bots. Until players stop buying ISK with real currency and until CCP makes PvE and Mining actually interesting, there will always be folks finding ways to automate this game.

Turning mining into fun and engaging gameplay would probably be a "killer feature". Someday...

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2012-06-15 01:51:27 UTC
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#235 - 2012-06-15 01:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Linna Excel wrote:
*Points at sig*


Unfortunately the rest of the player base isn't doing a very good job at generating content. When the village idiot is the only source of entertainment left you know your village is in trouble.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#236 - 2012-06-15 01:53:25 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Wonderful. More Goon ego at work, making sure we all know about Goonswarm and their need to play at fake hatred to get more attention. OP probably achieved a rare erection after this post.


And you replied, so I guess it's working.

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#237 - 2012-06-15 01:55:16 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Wonderful. More Goon ego at work, making sure we all know about Goonswarm and their need to play at fake hatred to get more attention. OP probably achieved a rare erection after this post.


And you replied, so I guess it's working.


We are the puppet masters. Dance puppets! Dance!

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#238 - 2012-06-15 01:56:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddy Joringer
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:
This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .

This entire thread is created for attention anyway


Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss.

Eve will not only survive, but culling the folks that go out of their way to find ways to run Eve while not actually tabbed into the game; will cause the game to flourish more than it already is. Greater conflict will bring greater interest.


Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ? .. Soo much for Sandbox . Can i get any source for saying that most mining barges are bots. Some legitimate source ? People buy mining barges to get money they can prolly use later for pvp or something else. You don't tell people how to play . Attacking a hulk is ok, coz a hulk can tank. Attacking a mining barge is down right pathetic... Coz mining barges are completely helpless ...

EVE will die if these kind of actions are taken. most new players do end up mining for money using frigs and later mining barges while they get their skills upgraded.. ganking something which is completely helpless is nothing but bullying

You want greater conflict, fight something which actually shoots back at you .... stop talking about greater conflict while ganking Mining barges with your alt.. Roll
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#239 - 2012-06-15 01:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?

They can play however they desire. There's just a financial incentive for blowing them up.

Henchmen 21 wrote:
A few thoughts....

So we now ridiculously high priced basic minerals and thus anything made from them.


That's incorrect. We have had 'ridiculously high' priced minerals due to inflation. That seems be be tapering off, though Goonageddon is slowing down that decline.

"The heavy inflation that has characterized the economy since December is starting to subside, with the Mineral Price Index falling by 7.9% in May. Inflation reached its peak between March and April, where the biggest change in prices was in the MPI, which jumped by an incredible 32%. Prior to this, the biggest change ever recorded in the MPI was a 13% rise in December 2003. The only time one of the main indices had jumped higher in one month was in July 2010, when the SPPI rose by 38% following the Tyrannis expansion, which introduced Planetary Interaction. The accumulated rise in the MPI from November 2011 to April was 75%.


"As can be seen from the first graph, mineral prices actually started falling sharply after the release of Escalation and fell even more sharply following the burning of Jita. This is where the bubble of speculation and manipulation burst, as owners of mineral stocks cashed in. However, Hulkageddon has unquestionably served to slow the fall, so mineral prices can be expected to fall further following the end of the event."


[Source]

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#240 - 2012-06-15 01:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Mia MuuMaa wrote:
So let me get this right....

all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......

right?


No, because that would involved actually adapting to the conditions in the game and using a knowledge of game mechanics to overcome problems.

They'll just continue to whine to CCP to take care of their in-game challenges for them.

Khergit Deserters wrote:
Why not make it more interesting and pay out rewards for ganking Goons?


I bet you could get a hell of a lot of people on board for just this. Probably enough to permanently run us out of the game. Pretty much everyone hates us, after all.

So do it.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.