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Goonswarm Behavioral Correction Initiative: Hulkageddon Infinity, Jr. League

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servellious
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#181 - 2012-06-14 18:02:23 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
if only mining involved more than locking up as many rocks as you have beams (or your ships limit), activating your beams, and watching the ore flow in.

I'd love a good thread for brainstorming ideas to make it interactive, less bot friendly, and perhaps make it more interesting too for ppl who wish to oppose/kill mining ops. I mean surely a 7 second barge bash cant be all that exhilarating, even if the killer is anti miner


You know thats a good question. I honestly cant come up with a good way to make mining fun. I suspect thats why it hasnt changed over the years at all. Maybe if you could blow up asteroids and collect the debris from within by just picking it up?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#182 - 2012-06-14 18:08:38 UTC
servellious wrote:
Maybe if you could blow up asteroids and collect the debris from within by just picking it up?

Like shooting red plus signs and looting the wrecks, then?

Except it's "mining" rocks, and looting the "can"

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Mia MuuMaa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#183 - 2012-06-14 19:14:01 UTC
So let me get this right....

all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......

right?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#184 - 2012-06-14 19:21:52 UTC
Interesting.

The question becomes this: While yes, a T1 destroyer can nuke a mining barge solo...and the bounties paid by the swarm will more than make up for the cost of lost dessies... one must factor in time. You get the same 15 minute global criminal timer for nuking a retriever as you do a hulk, as well as the same security status hit. While it might be worth the time and effort for a dedicated ganker to keep an orca in tow and use it to launch ships for them (so they don't need to worry about ratting to restore security status) when hunting exhumers for a 100 mil payday... is it worth it for a 25 mil payday for hunting barges?

Still, this should keep mineral prices nice and high until CCP's revamp of mining ship roles, tanks and attributes hit.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#185 - 2012-06-14 19:29:29 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Interesting.

The question becomes this: While yes, a T1 destroyer can nuke a mining barge solo...and the bounties paid by the swarm will more than make up for the cost of lost dessies... one must factor in time. You get the same 15 minute global criminal timer for nuking a retriever as you do a hulk, as well as the same security status hit. While it might be worth the time and effort for a dedicated ganker to keep an orca in tow and use it to launch ships for them (so they don't need to worry about ratting to restore security status) when hunting exhumers for a 100 mil payday... is it worth it for a 25 mil payday for hunting barges?

Still, this should keep mineral prices nice and high until CCP's revamp of mining ship roles, tanks and attributes hit.


For most folks it's not about the money.

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#186 - 2012-06-14 19:32:40 UTC
Time to skill up those orca alts.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Torneach
Doomheim
#187 - 2012-06-14 19:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Torneach
This is getting boring.

Just when we thought GD was done with this nonsense, someone just has to post another one of these damn threads.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#188 - 2012-06-14 19:44:12 UTC
Mia MuuMaa wrote:
So let me get this right....

all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......

right?

a highsec miner mining in a system without concord and without local

yeah that sounds about right

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Generals4
#189 - 2012-06-14 19:53:17 UTC
I guess this is a good plan to increase the profitability of Goon carebearing deep in sov 0.0 ?

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#190 - 2012-06-14 19:59:28 UTC
Why not make it more interesting and pay out rewards for ganking Goons?
Mia MuuMaa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-06-14 20:00:53 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Mia MuuMaa wrote:
So let me get this right....

all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......

right?

a highsec miner mining in a system without concord and without local

yeah that sounds about right



Lol to me it just seems more like a loss of time and just a raising of the strongest win always. but well u rule so we just go with the wind.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#192 - 2012-06-14 20:28:22 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Why not make it more interesting and pay out rewards for ganking Goons?


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MiserySignals
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2012-06-14 20:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: MiserySignals
Weaselior wrote:
Due to their weaker tank, they can be killed with a pure t1 destroyer - no need to fit t2, allowing you to continue your ganking indefinitely on the mining barge bounty. In fact, some mining barges are so lightly tanked that if you're willing to make the sacrifice and go -10, you can pod them with the very same destroyer that killed their ship and bask in the +5s and +5% mining implants they had plugged in. Many of these people believe that people cannot actually be podded in empire: the stern thrashing given by destroying their alpha clone may even prevent them from such activity in the future as they lose skillpoints.

Honestly once you're going for t1 mining ships its not a question of "what do I need to kill it" so much as "how many can I kill at once". My record is 4, but there were only 4 in the belt. In any case this has the potential to be more profitable than ganking exhumers since you can earn a payout every 2-3 GCCs.
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Legion Air
#194 - 2012-06-14 21:28:13 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Hulkageddon V was a resounding sucess


No it wasn't and it still isn't. By Alex's own admission you bought a trillion in minerals. The prices have gone down since burn jita and still aren't going back up, leaving you holding truckloads of overpriced minerals.Roll
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#195 - 2012-06-14 21:29:11 UTC
MiserySignals wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Due to their weaker tank, they can be killed with a pure t1 destroyer - no need to fit t2, allowing you to continue your ganking indefinitely on the mining barge bounty. In fact, some mining barges are so lightly tanked that if you're willing to make the sacrifice and go -10, you can pod them with the very same destroyer that killed their ship and bask in the +5s and +5% mining implants they had plugged in. Many of these people believe that people cannot actually be podded in empire: the stern thrashing given by destroying their alpha clone may even prevent them from such activity in the future as they lose skillpoints.

Honestly once you're going for t1 mining ships its not a question of "what do I need to kill it" as "how many can I kill at once". My record is 4, but there were only 4 in the belt. In any case this has the potential to be more profitable than ganking exhumers since you can earn a payout every 2-3 GCCs.

Holy crap, that's going into the first post.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#196 - 2012-06-14 21:30:44 UTC
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Hulkageddon V was a resounding sucess


No it wasn't and it still isn't. By Alex's own admission you bought a trillion in minerals. The prices have gone down since burn jita and still aren't going back up, leaving you holding truckloads of overpriced minerals.Roll


And yet in terms of number of hulks killed and total value of the kills it is a resounding success.

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Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#197 - 2012-06-14 21:32:42 UTC
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Hulkageddon V was a resounding sucess


No it wasn't and it still isn't. By Alex's own admission you bought a trillion in minerals. The prices have gone down since burn jita and still aren't going back up, leaving you holding truckloads of overpriced minerals.Roll


Yes it was, it just happens that it wasnt a sucess for you.
Sounds to me like goonwallets are nice and fat now.

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Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Legion Air
#198 - 2012-06-14 21:39:58 UTC

All I have to say is...

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#199 - 2012-06-14 21:46:54 UTC
Peta Michalek wrote:
I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.

It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it.


That's what it's always been about. Guys I think this one finally gets us.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#200 - 2012-06-14 21:49:03 UTC
Mia MuuMaa wrote:
So let me get this right....

all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......

right?


Before or after they all quit the game?