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Q: What can an ice miner do?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-06-14 04:14:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
For the Mack, just use three named invulns.


Doesn't fit without 5% CPU implant.

[Mackinaw, tank]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Ice Harvester I
Ice Harvester I

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#102 - 2012-06-14 04:22:17 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Doesn't fit without 5% CPU implant.
Ditch the MAPC, fit Co-Processor; ditch one overclocker, fit ACR.

…now you have room for T2 harvesters to boot.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-06-14 04:25:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…now you have room for T2 harvesters to boot.


B... B... But that would decrease cycle time. Oh no!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#104 - 2012-06-14 04:43:07 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mack would be easily destroyed by two T2 fit Catalysts.
Hulk would barely survive if gankers don't know how to delay Concord.


So... 30m in Catalysts to kill something worth maybe 25m (loot+salvage+bounty)? Good deal.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#105 - 2012-06-14 04:45:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
In fairness, it does force the attacker to use isk inefficient methods of attack (thrashers instead of catalysts or lower dps ammo) if they want to skip around the therm hill. So tanking against the most isk efficient method has merit even if the thing ganking you isn't shooting your resists.
Fair enough, but even then, they're not shooting raw thermal — they're shooting a 50/50(ish) split of Kin/Th or EM/Th, where the thermal part is the lower one. The difference isn't nearly as huge as claimed and with a DG module, it basically lets the opponent field another destroyer for free, which means a whole lot more incoming damage than the additional resist will compensate for.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mack would be easily destroyed by two T2 fit Catalysts.
Hulk would barely survive if gankers don't know how to delay Concord.
…entirely depending on a number of other circumstances. In most systems, neither is true.


Wasn't saying a faction fit is wise, just that skewing your tank can be useful.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-06-14 04:50:54 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
So... 30m in Catalysts to kill something worth maybe 25m (loot+salvage+bounty)? Good deal.


No, if those ships and modules are free for them.
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#107 - 2012-06-14 04:55:08 UTC
I fit a decent Hulk tank with 27k ehp and 85% resists across (est). Granted, cargo is not maximum and it's sitting in a trophy case now collecting dust. But I was able to resist a decent gank attempt with it... plus the 270 dps drones helped a little.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#108 - 2012-06-14 04:58:16 UTC
Ice miners can use bookmarks to make tactical warp-outs strategically around their belts, and mine aligned to these bookmarks.

That means they have to move, but it also means they will warp immediately upon activating the warp drive.

The truth is that the price of ice will rise until people realize this and begin doing it.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#109 - 2012-06-14 05:01:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
No, if those ships and modules are free for them.
That's a rather silly “if“, isn't it? They're not free.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-06-14 05:08:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
No, if those ships and modules are free for them.
That's a rather silly “if“, isn't it? They're not free.


They reprocess modules to get low ends. They mine(?) all needed high ends in nullsec. They build their own ships and modules... You know.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#111 - 2012-06-14 05:12:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
They reprocess modules to get low ends. They mine(?) all needed high ends in nullsec. They build their own ships and modules...
…none of which makes them free.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#112 - 2012-06-14 05:42:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
They reprocess modules to get low ends. They mine(?) all needed high ends in nullsec. They build their own ships and modules...
…none of which makes them free.

Minerals you mine are free. Sell them to me cheaper.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#113 - 2012-06-14 05:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
[Mackinaw, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Small Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I
Ancillary Ballistic Screen Stabilizer I

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5

19.8k ehp vs blsters + oh god ECM. Requires a +1 CPU implant.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#114 - 2012-06-14 06:12:29 UTC
The answer really is low sec, don't use a mackinaw, use a Covetor (Its sneaky as they don't automatically know your in the ice belt) Book up the belt at 87km from warp in( so they can't just warp to the ice your mining) and if you draw to mutch attention make a deal with them or pack it all up in a cloak hauler and move on.


P.S. also book the station so you never acsidently war to 1k from it book like under it

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#115 - 2012-06-14 06:15:07 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
The answer really is low sec, don't use a mackinaw, use a Covetor (Its sneaky as they don't automatically know your in the ice belt) Book up the belt at 87km from warp in( so they can't just warp to the ice your mining) and if you draw to mutch attention make a deal with them or pack it all up in a cloak hauler and move on.


P.S. also book the station so you never acsidently war to 1k from it book like under it


The skiff is also a good option.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-06-14 06:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
[Mackinaw, zero fucks]
Internal Force Field Array I
Co-Processor II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I

Ice Harvester I
Ice Harvester I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Warrior II x10

Implants: (not really that expensive)
EE-603 +3% to CPU
SM-703 +3% to shield amount
MC-803 +3% to hull amount

If you have someone in a Tengu at a high sec POS/safe with: Shield mindlink, shield resistant and armor resistant gang link and in addition the skirmish gang link that lowers your signature radius (down to 107 - much harder for larger guns to track if you start moving the moment they show up)

So factor all of that in (Tengu pilot could sell his bonus services to a fleet of ice miners) and it is fact a Catalyst that warps in to gank you...

Your effective hit points is: 38,771
33,055 for uniform damage and 24,147 if you have no gang bonuses.

With no tanking modules at all or bonuses (like most of you run to get your max mining yield - 6,290 effective hit points. As you can see, even with no bonuses, the tank fit is almost four times the tank.

Also be sure to always have a flight of drones out set to aggressive. That way you get the kill mail... er kill report.

Now I know some of you might look at it and wonder how long it takes to actually mine ice. Who gives a ****. At this point you are mining ganker tears and trust me they are far more valuable than ice!
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-06-14 06:41:46 UTC
[Hulk, zero fucks]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium Shield Extender II
Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Invulnerability Field II

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Warrior II x10

Same implants and strategy as I mentioned above.

Effective hit points: 57,949 if against Catalyst
49,716 against omni damage and 37,008 with no bonuses.

With no tanking modules at all or bonuses (like most of you run to get your max mining yield - 9,217 effective hit points. As you can see, even with no bonuses, the tank fit is almost four times the tank.

The reason for Warrior drones is because the Catalyst is Gallente and they have a MASSIVE explosive resistance hole. Being top damage on the gankers kill mail adds that sting to it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#118 - 2012-06-14 06:44:58 UTC
Replace those warriors with VESPA ecm and god damn.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-06-14 06:59:06 UTC
One more thing. Do some research on who the last few die hards left that are doing this Hulkaggedon.

http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/

This is the kill board they us to determine payouts. Granted they have set it up to be on a significant delay, but the information you need is there. Watch to see the common systems they tend to hang out in. Also make sure you bookmark the pilots so when they enter system, you see them easily. Look at the ship weapon they use, is it T1 or T2? I love the T2 guys. You can make up to 10 million per destroyer kill just in the tear...er loot they drop.

Also be sure to apologize in local for not dying. Offer them some ore you mined to help replace the ship they lost. Offer to sell back their loot at Jita price to help them with travel woes.

Now you will need to actually be careful after a ganker smashes his face against your tanks fist. They will feel like they have brought shame to the event and go for a bigger ship and or batphone friends to show you how you are in the wrong. Just watch the directional scanner and keep an eye on local. If you see 50 destroyers and or local spike a decent amount, just scoop drones and warp off till you know what is up.

Can you go AFK? Sure to an extent. Nothing like some good old AFK PvP. Walk away from the keyboard and come back to a blue wreck next to you full of fresh destroyer loot, some stuff in local about, "You may be tanked, but you are not making any profit!" Yes i came back from watching a cat video on YouTube and was greeted with happy local banter from the would be ganker. So I scooped his T2 loot and sold it on the market making 8.5 mil profit... He was the one to buy the guns off me only to lose them to another tanked Hulk I showed my fit to a bit earlier.

My entire point of this is you can still mine and have some fun too. Remember a nice big buffer fit is key and devote every module for tank. In order to break your tank they will have to sacrifice more ISK in ships than the mittani is willing to pay out for bounties.

So have fun AFK PvPing guys! Big smile
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#120 - 2012-06-14 07:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
baltec1 wrote:
Replace those warriors with VESPA ecm and god damn.


Nah. Those are chance based and I think you have to physically tell them to fight back. Normal drones will agress back automatically if setup correct. ECM drones tip off that they might get jammed and not get the kill. I also like to have auto lock back, so I can watch them melt.

Another tid bit of information, the fits I gave above, one destroyer only manages to take off 15% of the shields in a 0.5 system before Concord warps in to whore on the destroyer mail.