Missions & Complexes

I'm sorry, but how can you expect to be taken seriously when you come out suggesting VG's were more dangerous and higher risk activities than low/null sec activities? For that matter, WH space is just a matter of watching dscan rather than relying on local, so hey, I'm sure that's safer than VG's too right?

In all seriousness, blitzing VG's was one of the safest activities in the game and if you worried more about your nightmare than a ratting carrier, you either a) are full or **** or b) ran with terrible fleets. The only time I've seen losses in a VG was when a FC warped into a half-completed OTA that Eve Uni tards had wiped on earlier. All 3 waves were spawned and sitting at the warp-in and it was too much damage for logi's to rep. That said, that's a freak occurrence and a bone-headed move by the FC. I spent many hours doing VGs and that was literally the only fleet I've seen that lost ships. Every other fleet was a mindless grind where shiny ships blitz down OTAs within a couple minutes.

I'm all for seeing the rewards adjusted upwards a bit more, and the guy who said he ran 5 hours and earned just over 100 mil with a shiny fleet is a perfect example of how little VG's are paying now, though I think you'd do much better with assaults these days. In any event, you may want to tone back the drama, because I don't know how you can believe you'll convince anyone with a brain when you come out suggesting incursions are super risky dangerous activities. It just makes you sound desperate and willing to say any BS reason to get your isk faucet back.

Sounds like a social problem. If fleets are taking a long time to form, try to fix that social* problem. Incursions, just like every other high end income stream in EvE, take some time and effort to get set up and running. Missions take standings, Tech takes POSes, Invention takes invention, etc. Incursions take social organization.


*as in, not game mechanical

There are people who worked on their social connections and can get into a VG fleet as soon as they log in for the day. You can do the same if you don't want to wait. Or if you're unwilling to work on your connections in that way, you can run L4s.

Not being able to get into a fleet when you want is a social, not game mechanical problem. Wasn't the great cry of the incursion communities that they do it for the social aspect?

Incursions are now the social PvE reward. They're better Isk/hr than missions if you put in effort to make social connections and they're worse if you don't.

I would have to agree with this. I have a feeling most of the haters are pilots from nulsec who are upset that pilots in high sec were able to make almost as much ISK as they could.

Try more isk than ratting in a similarly priced ship.

I'm part of a group that can get 10-11 people together to do something just about any time I'm online very easily. That means it's possible to get an incursion group together that can put a VG fleet up any time. Just because it's too hard for you to do doesn't mean it's impossible.

I'd love to try Incursions but because I like a deadspace fit ship I'm not useful.

Is that like a solo pvper these days? I'm sure you can gather all 10 of these mythical creatures and come up with something.

@Herr Ronin - Just as a benchmark for purposes of this thread, could you give us some info on what your fleets are typically bringing in (ISK per hour) when running VGs and also when running Assaults? The changes have been in effect for weeks now and I suspect people have had enough time to refine their VG/Assault running to the point where the ISK/hr has more or less stabilized.

Those 3 hours are not a game mechanical issue. They are a social one.