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Orca use

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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-13 16:03:38 UTC
I'm curious to know how Orca's work in regard to carrying fitted ships that other pilots can board while in space.

An Alt of mine is close to getting into an Orca. I'm wondering if it is possible for an Orca pilot to be used to carry replacement ships for pilots of another corp, to speed up mid battle reshipping in a high sec war. I'm not sure whether you use the Maintenance bay or Corp hanger and whether you can set access to those areas by standing or whether only corp members can have access?

If the latter, can the Orca pilot dump ships directly into space that could then be boarded by anyone?
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-06-13 16:33:46 UTC
I believe access to your hangars is based on who is in fleet with you (or your corp)


If the ships are assembled they MUST be carried in the maintenance bay. if they are packaged they may be put in cargo bay. To carry blue ships, have them contract them to you and then you contract them back when you get to dessy

FC, what do?

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-13 17:41:57 UTC
Corporate Hangars are for....well...Corp members (hence the name).

You can do open up the fitting ability of the Orca to fleet members. Not 100% sure if this also counts for ship maintenance arrays.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-13 21:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
J'Poll wrote:
Corporate Hangars are for....well...Corp members (hence the name).

You can do open up the fitting ability of the Orca to fleet members. Not 100% sure if this also counts for ship maintenance arrays.


Only fitting service is available automatically for all fleet members.

- To allow non-corp members to access Ship Maintenance Bay you need to configure ship.
- To allow non-corp members to access Corporate Hangar you need to configure ship.

Configuring Orca is simple:
When in space right click your ship and choose "Configure Ship" from menu. Tick the "Allow fleet member usage" option and close window.

Note: this has to be done after everytime you undock or jump to other system.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-13 22:02:27 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Corporate Hangars are for....well...Corp members (hence the name).

You can do open up the fitting ability of the Orca to fleet members. Not 100% sure if this also counts for ship maintenance arrays.


Only fitting service is available automatically for all fleet members.

- To allow non-corp members to access Ship Maintenance Bay you need to configure ship.
- To allow non-corp members to access Corporate Hangar you need to configure ship.

Configuring Orca is simple:
When in space right click your ship and choose "Configure Ship" from menu. Tick the "Allow fleet member usage" option and close window.

Note: this has to be done after everytime you undock or jump to other system.


And I"m now really ashamed as I"m actually an Orca pilot. But then again, I'm only using it with corp members, means I never have to configure the ship at all.

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Umoto Korriken
Thark Innovations
#6 - 2012-06-14 00:34:03 UTC
My other chr is an orca pilot. you can only put industrial ships into the ship hold, but you can put packaged ships of any kind into the corp hangar and carry them around.

Also, (im about 85% sure it still works) the corporate hangar bay is great for lugging around expensive stuff that you might otherwise get suicide ganked over. or at least no one's ever shot my orca when carrying around expensive stuff kept in the corp hangars.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-14 01:07:33 UTC
Umoto Korriken wrote:
My other chr is an orca pilot. you can only put industrial ships into the ship hold, but you can put packaged ships of any kind into the corp hangar and carry them around.


You can put any ship into ship maintenance bay if they fit there. If ship has something else in its cargohold other than ammo/crystals or mining crystals it can't be put into to ship bay.

Umoto Korriken wrote:
Also, (im about 85% sure it still works) the corporate hangar bay is great for lugging around expensive stuff that you might otherwise get suicide ganked over. or at least no one's ever shot my orca when carrying around expensive stuff kept in the corp hangars.


True. Only NPCs can scan Orca's corporate hangar.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#8 - 2012-06-14 06:14:05 UTC
Umoto Korriken wrote:
My other chr is an orca pilot. you can only put industrial ships into the ship hold.


You can also put rookie ships, frigates, assault ships, stealth bombers, interceptors, cruisers, heavy assault ships, recons, logistics, strategic cruisers, battle-cruisers and ORE industrial ships into the Ship Maintenance Bay of an Orca. I routinely travel with a Basilisk, Tengu and a handful of frigates (Incursion detail: Basilisk for fleet, Tengu for off-grid-booster, frigates for exploration while waiting for the Incursion fleet to form up).

As for the corp hangars, they are only accessible to alliance members if you tick the "Allow fleet member usage" box in "Configure Ship", and the fleet members have corp roles to access that hangar in their own corp. There's some hand-wavy stuff in there, but generally it works well enough that alliance-members can run mining ops together. Out-of-alliance members are out of luck: they can dump ore into a corporate hangar but they can't haul.

The Orca pilot always has full access to every corporate hangar while they are piloting the ship. I haven't tested access to corporate hangars of an Orca while the pilot is e.g. in CQ or has boarded a different ship.

From memory, corp members will always have access to the corp hangars and SMB regardless of being in fleet or not.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-14 06:28:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Umoto Korriken wrote:
My other chr is an orca pilot. you can only put industrial ships into the ship hold, but you can put packaged ships of any kind into the corp hangar and carry them around.


You can put any ship into ship maintenance bay if they fit there. If ship has something else in its cargohold other than ammo/crystals or mining crystals it can't be put into to ship bay.

Umoto Korriken wrote:
Also, (im about 85% sure it still works) the corporate hangar bay is great for lugging around expensive stuff that you might otherwise get suicide ganked over. or at least no one's ever shot my orca when carrying around expensive stuff kept in the corp hangars.


True. Only NPCs can scan Orca's corporate hangar.



The industrial ship limit on the maintenance array is only on the rorqual

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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-14 11:19:29 UTC
Thanks for the replies so far. So to recap for the situation I'm interested in. I could use the Orca in the way I want if the Orca pilot joins the fleet and reconfigures the Ship Maintenance Bay to allow fleet members to use.

However, someone has said that such fleet members could only use it if they have the relevant role assigned to allow access to their corp hangers. That seems a bit daft. Can anyone confirm this? That would not work in RvB as most members have no roles assigned to facilitate freedom of movement within corps.

The question still stands, can an Orca pilot simple dump assembled ships in space for anyone to board?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-14 13:00:31 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Thanks for the replies so far. So to recap for the situation I'm interested in. I could use the Orca in the way I want if the Orca pilot joins the fleet and reconfigures the Ship Maintenance Bay to allow fleet members to use.

However, someone has said that such fleet members could only use it if they have the relevant role assigned to allow access to their corp hangers. That seems a bit daft. Can anyone confirm this? That would not work in RvB as most members have no roles assigned to facilitate freedom of movement within corps.

The question still stands, can an Orca pilot simple dump assembled ships in space for anyone to board?


1.) Yes you can make the Orca usable for fleet members.

2.) When configured for fleet use, ANY player can place stuff in corp hangar. But cause of not being in same corp they can't take stuff out (no matter how their roles are in their own corp - cause the Orca isn't in corp, their roles don't matter). This can be negated by the Orca pilot just jetcanning what the people need. they can then take if from the jet-can.

3.) Believe you can't jet assembled ships (not entirely sure though). But if you want to eject a packed ship from your cargohold it automatically ejects as an empty assembled ship. If you do that and drop a can with the stuff that needs to be fitted to it, any pod can just board the ship, scoop the can and use the fitting service to fit the ship out.

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Jih'dara
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-06-14 16:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jih'dara
Major Trant wrote:
I'm curious to know how Orca's work in regard to carrying fitted ships that other pilots can board while in space.

An Alt of mine is close to getting into an Orca. I'm wondering if it is possible for an Orca pilot to be used to carry replacement ships for pilots of another corp, to speed up mid battle reshipping in a high sec war. I'm not sure whether you use the Maintenance bay or Corp hanger and whether you can set access to those areas by standing or whether only corp members can have access?

If the latter, can the Orca pilot dump ships directly into space that could then be boarded by anyone?


AFAIK, some pirates use Orcas for gate camps in just this sort of way. Pirate

They get an out of corp Orca pilot to fly into high sec, then sit on a gate. The pirates fly into the system in some kind of cheap expendable ship or even their pods and warp to the Orca. Then, they access the Orca hangar, get into an assembled, fitted tech 2 ship, (maybe even refitting or selecting a ship type) undock and engage their target, dump the lewt into the Orca's cargo hold, then redock in the Orca's bay.

The pilots that engaged their target get a Global Criminal countdown timer, which means they can't dock or jump for the period of the countdown. However, the 'neutral' Orca pilot has no GCC timer, so they CAN dock or jump (with the expensive ships in it's hold) immediately.

As a previous poster stated, I suppose you COULD jettison a packaged ship into space that just about anyone could board. You wouldn't need an Orca to do this, any industrial hauler would do. I'm not sure if this is your intent, or whether you are thinking more along the lines of the 'docking and reshipping' situation I described above.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-14 20:07:17 UTC
Jih'dara wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
I'm curious to know how Orca's work in regard to carrying fitted ships that other pilots can board while in space.

An Alt of mine is close to getting into an Orca. I'm wondering if it is possible for an Orca pilot to be used to carry replacement ships for pilots of another corp, to speed up mid battle reshipping in a high sec war. I'm not sure whether you use the Maintenance bay or Corp hanger and whether you can set access to those areas by standing or whether only corp members can have access?

If the latter, can the Orca pilot dump ships directly into space that could then be boarded by anyone?


AFAIK, some pirates use Orcas for gate camps in just this sort of way. Pirate

They get an out of corp Orca pilot to fly into high sec, then sit on a gate. The pirates fly into the system in some kind of cheap expendable ship or even their pods and warp to the Orca. Then, they access the Orca hangar, get into an assembled, fitted tech 2 ship, (maybe even refitting or selecting a ship type) undock and engage their target, dump the lewt into the Orca's cargo hold, then redock in the Orca's bay.

The pilots that engaged their target get a Global Criminal countdown timer, which means they can't dock or jump for the period of the countdown. However, the 'neutral' Orca pilot has no GCC timer, so they CAN dock or jump (with the expensive ships in it's hold) immediately.

As a previous poster stated, I suppose you COULD jettison a packaged ship into space that just about anyone could board. You wouldn't need an Orca to do this, any industrial hauler would do. I'm not sure if this is your intent, or whether you are thinking more along the lines of the 'docking and reshipping' situation I described above.



You can't dock in an Orca, you can store your ship in it. Just to make clear.

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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-06-18 11:40:50 UTC
Jih'dara wrote:
As a previous poster stated, I suppose you COULD jettison a packaged ship into space that just about anyone could board. You wouldn't need an Orca to do this, any industrial hauler would do. I'm not sure if this is your intent, or whether you are thinking more along the lines of the 'docking and reshipping' situation I described above.

I wasn't aware that you could jettison a package ship and then board it, is this true? I thought it just ended up in a can which could then be scooped to another cargo hold but not piloted.

Whatever - my concern is with jettisoning fitted and rigged ships.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-18 11:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
J'Poll wrote:
You can't dock in an Orca, you can store your ship in it. Just to make clear.
Are you sure about that, I think you are talking about a Rorqual. I'm pretty certain Orcas can dock.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-06-18 12:15:30 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
You can't dock in an Orca, you can store your ship in it. Just to make clear.
Are you sure about that, I think you are talking about a Rorqual. I'm pretty certain Orcas can dock.
I think J'Poll meant that you can't dock with your ship into an orca... I guess... I hope...

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-06-18 12:43:03 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
You can't dock in an Orca, you can store your ship in it. Just to make clear.
Are you sure about that, I think you are talking about a Rorqual. I'm pretty certain Orcas can dock.
I think J'Poll meant that you can't dock with your ship into an orca... I guess... I hope...


Yes.

And as for Major...Both Rorqual and Orca can dock in stations.

Only ships that can't dock (yet - may change soon™):

- Supercarriers
- Titans.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-18 12:44:35 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Jih'dara wrote:
As a previous poster stated, I suppose you COULD jettison a packaged ship into space that just about anyone could board. You wouldn't need an Orca to do this, any industrial hauler would do. I'm not sure if this is your intent, or whether you are thinking more along the lines of the 'docking and reshipping' situation I described above.

I wasn't aware that you could jettison a package ship and then board it, is this true? I thought it just ended up in a can which could then be scooped to another cargo hold but not piloted.

Whatever - my concern is with jettisoning fitted and rigged ships.


Confirmed.

If you jettison a packed ships from your cargohold, it assembles and will be in space as a boardable ship.

You can't launch ships from your ship maintenance bay as an Orca pilot, others may access (depending on roles - in/out of corp, etc.)

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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#19 - 2012-06-18 14:24:16 UTC
Ok it goes like this:

Fitted ship is in Orca ship maintenance bay.
Pilote in pod or other ship approaches Orca, R-clicks Orca hits 1) 'open ship maintenance bay' or 2) 'store ship'.

Option 1) gives you a view of ships stored where you then 'board ship from bay' or
Option 2) docks your current ship (except pod) and leaves you in space in a pod with the ship you just flew in the Orca.

Just tested and done with a corp mate, should be the same for non corpies if you set your Orca right as discussed a thread or 2 above.

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-06-18 15:40:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
J'Poll wrote:
The industrial ship limit on the maintenance array is only on the rorqual


When they changed it? For some reason I can't put my Harbinger in there because I have small secure container in cargohold. So, for me it still works like it used to.
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