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zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-13 15:52:57 UTC
As i've never lived in null, i'm gonna ask my question here: what do those big alliances do with the trillions they make each month from moons?

I've heard about reimbursement programs, but otherwise, i've never heard of regular members getting any of that isk. I always assumed CEOs&friends got their "fair share", but that wouldn't explain why regular members would show up to defend/conquer those moons for their leadership.
please enlighten me
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-06-13 16:02:21 UTC
Sov bill to concord (when we remember to pay them), capital and supercapital subsidies, fuel for cap ops, poses and the jb network and a ****-tonne of ship reimbursements. And in the case of certain alliances special projects like burn jita for the benefit of the community as a whole.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-13 16:05:00 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Sov bill to concord (when we remember to pay them), capital and supercapital subsidies, fuel for cap ops, poses and the jb network and a ****-tonne of ship reimbursements. And in the case of certain alliances special projects like burn jita for the benefit of the community as a whole.


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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-06-13 16:05:47 UTC
what is moon goo income?
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-06-13 16:08:17 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
what is moon goo income?


like renter income except you dont have to put up with the renters ;)
zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-13 16:09:11 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Sov bill to concord (when we remember to pay them), capital and supercapital subsidies, fuel for cap ops, poses and the jb network and a ****-tonne of ship reimbursements. And in the case of certain alliances special projects like burn jita for the benefit of the community as a whole.


Let's just accept that as it is, why keep so much sov? Isn't most nullsec empty and un-upgraded?
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-06-13 16:11:22 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:

Let's just accept that as it is, why keep so much sov? Isn't most nullsec empty and un-upgraded?


Can't speak for the south but not really in the north, pretty well utilized.
Var Vindictus
Legacy of Tyr
#8 - 2012-06-13 16:11:48 UTC
The principle idea behind it is called communism.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#9 - 2012-06-13 16:13:46 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Sov bill to concord (when we remember to pay them), capital and supercapital subsidies, fuel for cap ops, poses and the jb network and a ****-tonne of ship reimbursements. And in the case of certain alliances special projects like burn jita for the benefit of the community as a whole.


Let's just accept that as it is, why keep so much sov? Isn't most nullsec empty and un-upgraded?


I wouldn't say most. There is a lot that isn't upgraded, but honestly, you have to have space for 9000~ people, you're going to spread out and take up a whole lot of space.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#10 - 2012-06-13 16:14:05 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:

Let's just accept that as it is, why keep so much sov? Isn't most nullsec empty and un-upgraded?


Can't speak for the south but not really in the north, pretty well utilized.


What he said.

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Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-13 16:15:58 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:
As i've never lived in null, i'm gonna ask my question here: what do those big alliances do with the trillions they make each month from moons?

I've heard about reimbursement programs, but otherwise, i've never heard of regular members getting any of that isk. I always assumed CEOs&friends got their "fair share", but that wouldn't explain why regular members would show up to defend/conquer those moons for their leadership.
please enlighten me


Depends on the alliance.

Goons and Test spend it on reimbursement and stuff to make the game be generally fun for the rank and file members. Other alliances buy titans and supercarriers because they want to helicoptordick everyone with them and be no fun.

I mean you don't really get any strategic level income from holding sov, so those who don't have techmoons have to rely on renters paying them. It's really disgustingly unfair to everyone who lives in the south.

By the way TEST alliance finances are open to the public.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2012-06-13 16:18:45 UTC
Jafit wrote:

TEST alliance finances are open to the public.


Pretty sure ours are too but I cant be arsed looking for them.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-13 16:21:06 UTC
I dont think any alliance actually makes trillions. SRFs payout tens of billions of isk a month easily. Sov bills cost alot. The fuels to run pos's and so on at that level costs tens of billions. Alliances buy carriers, dreadnaughts, supercarriers and titans for their members. Sometimes huge rewards are given out for outstanding corps.

Not all teh moons ar erun at alliance level of course. 0din runs 5 or 6 reactions for iyself. On corp level we have another supplemental SRF, we buy capital skills for poeple and give grants towards capital hulls. We supply capital fuel for ops, our black ops division has its own budget and we are currently paying for one of our members to have a titan, once that one is bought we will start saving for teh next supercapital for a corp member. Our leadership team are paid a nominal fee of 50 mill a month wich doesnt even begin to cover the time spent doing stuff for the corp.

Basically no one should be without ships and isk, buy the first of a shiptype and after that the alliance and corp look after replacements.

Any alliance or corp that does moon reactions and doesnt do these things for the line members isnt worth fighting for.

Next question?

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-06-13 16:22:17 UTC
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The principle idea behind it is called communism.


I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation.

Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-06-13 16:26:35 UTC
you would be surprised at how easy it is to spend all that money

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-06-13 16:28:48 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
what is moon goo income?


like renter income except you dont have to put up with the renters ;)

you can't awox a tech moon's ratting titan, or take revenge on a blue supercap because the pilot sodomized a tech moon's girlfriend

being a slumlord is pretty sweet sometimes actually
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2012-06-13 16:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cameron Cahill
never mind google it its not hard to find
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2012-06-13 16:30:18 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
what is moon goo income?


like renter income except you dont have to put up with the renters ;)

you can't awox a tech moon's ratting titan, or take revenge on a blue supercap because the pilot sodomized a tech moon's girlfriend

being a slumlord is pretty sweet sometimes actually


True unfortunately :( but at least they don't ***** as much.
Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#19 - 2012-06-13 16:32:05 UTC
Jafit wrote:
By the way TEST alliance finances are open to the public.

"to the public"? It doesn't look like that. Google says "no access" for those, who have a Google account.

Anyway ... i was just curious. *shrugging shoulders.*
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#20 - 2012-06-13 16:33:27 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Jafit wrote:

TEST alliance finances are open to the public.

Pretty sure ours are too but I cant be arsed looking for them.

They are. Is it with the latest tech moon acquisitions and prices?

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