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[Proposal] - Remove Protectionism From These Systems
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Bree Okanata
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-07-02 07:27:15 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
How about we propose a new system: a rookie tag on characters that indicates they are not fair game. The specifics of this tag would need to be worked out (I'll get back to that). If you steal from a wreck or can owned by a rookie, you risk bannage. If you gank a rookie, you risk bannage. If you do anything to ruin the NPE, YOU RISK BANNAGE.

Ways to trigger the rookie flag being turned off:
- the ACCOUNT reaches a certain age (alts would never be rookies)
- the character joins a player corporation
- the character engages in activities outside of the new player experience (tutorials, career agents, SOE arc)
- other stuff I haven't though of

This would take some serious work to prevent it being abused, but I think it would solve the problem and prevent people from blundering into warnings and bans by not knowing "The List."

Also:
-The character gains X amount of ISK. (Would prevent people from making a trial just to get by the bannage thing.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-07-02 13:04:37 UTC
Stop f**king with newbies. That's the reason why this change came about. Because you couldn't leave the newbies alone. You griefers brought this change on.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#23 - 2012-07-02 13:46:15 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
Stop f**king with newbies. That's the reason why this change came about. Because you couldn't leave the newbies alone. You griefers brought this change on.


Pretty much this. Remember that we were all noobs once and most of us WOULD have quit the game had we been the target of some of the behavior people seek to defend here.

It doesn't help that CCP has vague rules on who is and who is not fair game. They've resorted to restricting player behavior in a dozen systems in a list that is not directly provided in-game. We're expected to abide by arbitrary rules that are judged on a per-case basis to the point that no one really knows where the line is drawn. With all the effort that is apparently being put into CrimeWatch and making sure players understand exactly what's going on, I sincerely hope this isn't forgotten and people KNOW whether they are clear to respond to the theft of their property, regardless of the system they're in.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
chopper14
Emo Rage Quit
#24 - 2012-07-11 02:57:17 UTC
Meh.

I wasn't going to mention this but the first time I undocked, it was into a swarm of pirates with porn linked in their bio's.
They repped me so I fired. Died. Grabbed a new velator undocked and fired on the closest yellow target, was concorded...several times in a row before one of the friendly porn smugglers was kind enough to let me in on the secret.
The last 3 times I was actually firing on the station guns themselves. Oops

Being the victim of some veteran players "cruel" joke was more than made up for by the pats on the back, PVP tips and the 3,000,000 ISK they gave me for being a good sport and for not giving up.

It sounds silly but it reminded me of a rite of passage. It set the tempo for my eve experience.

By the time I finally made it away from that station I knew 2 very important things about eve.

1. There is no safe place in eve.

2. I will play this uniqueley violent game until the server goes dark.


"This is my sandbox! Your just playing in it ;)"
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#25 - 2012-07-11 13:57:09 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
Stop f**king with newbies. That's the reason why this change came about. Because you couldn't leave the newbies alone. You griefers brought this change on.


Pretty much this. Remember that we were all noobs once and most of us WOULD have quit the game had we been the target of some of the behavior people seek to defend here..

I was ganked, I was can baited, I was scammed, etc... all within the first 3 hours of play.

My response to each was:
1) ask why it happened (adn what happened) in Rookie help

2) move on with new knowledge


Some of these kids these days don't even know you can be attacked in HS, and then get ganked in something more expensive than a rookie ship, and then rage quit.



Yes, this noobie hassling is uncalled for (especially when done over and over by the same individual... I know a few). But there comes a time when they will encounter the bad acts of EVE. Better to happen earlier when it doesn't hurt as much.

Really though, CCP should make parts of the tutorial (that haven't been made yet) mandatory reading, with a little quiz afterwards. That way these new folks will know what might happen (because most do not read the forums or wiki until after something goes wrong).
Horus V
The Destined
#26 - 2012-07-27 11:17:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Horus V
Make 0.9 and 1.0 very painfull for gankers ! Youd losse all your sec status just after one try. -10 sec streight away.

Simple

Don't ban people for shooting other people - this is low CCP , very low

V
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#27 - 2012-07-27 15:40:01 UTC
Horus V wrote:
Make 0.9 and 1.0 very painfull for gankers ! Youd losse all your sec status just after one try. -10 sec streight away.


That's a harsh penalty for a new player who doesn't fully understand what they're doing. It also doesn't deal with canbaiting and canflipping in noob systems.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Horus V
The Destined
#28 - 2012-07-27 16:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Horus V
Sure make the game harsh then and youll see no progress of eve at all. New people are coming and they leaving just becuase we have no safe space. Its simple as that. Why cant you understand that people have job, school, family.... They just want to make some isk and have fun in the game lossing the ships only if they decide to go into lower secs to make more isk so they could fly better ships ect ect ect.

Can fliping and stealing should ofc also be panalised in 0.9 and 1.0 .

V
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-07-29 19:20:10 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
How about we propose a new system: a rookie tag on characters that indicates they are not fair game. The specifics of this tag would need to be worked out (I'll get back to that). If you steal from a wreck or can owned by a rookie, you risk bannage. If you gank a rookie, you risk bannage. If you do anything to ruin the NPE, YOU RISK BANNAGE.

Ways to trigger the rookie flag being turned off:
- the ACCOUNT reaches a certain age (alts would never be rookies)
- the character joins a player corporation
- the character engages in activities outside of the new player experience (tutorials, career agents, SOE arc)
- other stuff I haven't though of

This would take some serious work to prevent it being abused, but I think it would solve the problem and prevent people from blundering into warnings and bans by not knowing "The List."


Here's another quote from the author of that list:

GM Homonoia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

Since nothing of much economic value happens in rookie systems, the only thing this really applies to is something like "are Hulks in rookie systems 'rookies'?"


Dear lord... Hulks are advanced T2 ships. I am not going to dignify this with a real answer.


Translation: You pop a real rookie, they'll nail your ass to the wall. You pop a vet, vet whines about it being in a rookie system - they'll tell the vet to plant it. Not an issue unless you are indiscriminate with who you go after...
Roki Romani
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-08-13 13:53:19 UTC
Give the rookies ships mini-reinforcement timers. If a rookie's shield tank breaks, they go into reinforced mode for 15 seconds. If they happen to be in a system where concord responds faster than that, then they get to live. :P
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#31 - 2012-08-13 21:49:17 UTC
Just move all new player content to its own region. Once you leave the region, you cannot go back in. After 2 weeks, you are ejected from the trial region by CONCORD
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-08-13 22:04:32 UTC
Why not make a "starting area" where you can hang out in there until your X weeks old

no mining belts
all 1.0 systems
all cans or wrecks created are for that player only
clear warnings about taking cans and how to take a can safely
any mining is done with mission ore in tutorial missions with the special mission ore
and if they leave these areas (that would be clearly marked) make them fare game


I would like to point out I hate people who pray on new pilots in the starting systems by can baiting and ect. BUT I do agree if they are out in our world they need to learn the ropes just like the rest of us.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#33 - 2012-08-14 21:18:11 UTC
Horus V wrote:
Sure make the game harsh then and youll see no progress of eve at all. New people are coming and they leaving just becuase we have no safe space. Its simple as that. Why cant you understand that people have job, school, family.... They just want to make some isk and have fun in the game lossing the ships only if they decide to go into lower secs to make more isk so they could fly better ships ect ect ect.

Can fliping and stealing should ofc also be panalised in 0.9 and 1.0 .


EvE Online is supposed to be harsh you ginormous fool. EvE wouldn't have the number of people it has today if it wasn't different to all the other cookie cutter MMO's. Can stealing and can flipping penalised in 0.9 & 1.0? Go back to WOW.
aerofly0610
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-15 19:52:32 UTC
EVE Free to Play and carebears abound oh wait it was just a dream Shocked
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#35 - 2012-08-15 20:39:28 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Just move all new player content to its own region. Once you leave the region, you cannot go back in. After 2 weeks, you are ejected from the trial region by CONCORD

That does not work as the SoE arc is considered both new player and not-as-new player stuff.
Jacob Straven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-08-16 00:40:10 UTC
I am very much in favor or the [TAG] idea, that way any aggression against rookies is clearly intentional.

To iterate on the other ideas here, make another tutorial (a 3rd mission from aura) that would detail that you can be attacked anywhere, anytime. Warp to location and observe (or even be a victim of) a NPC gank, ended by concord.

Surely that would be enough.
Luke Visteen
#37 - 2012-08-18 10:41:40 UTC
World of Evecraft ?

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#38 - 2012-08-23 19:02:52 UTC
I am an elite combat pilot for the Caldari State Protectorate stationed in the Duripant System. I will continue to wage guerilla-style war on the morale of the Federation Navy by striking fear into the hearts of their newest pilots. There are more of us than you might think, and our efforts are bankrolled by the Protectorate. We think nothing of dropping 10 mil on a t2 fit destroyer simply to neutralize a week old pilot undocking in their first Navitas before the sentry guns engage.
Gallente pilots be advised, I will warp into a belt cloaked in my Manticore, and watch you mine for an hour or longer in your little frigate, just to destroy the first hauler you saved up for, and the ore while I'm at it. You'll never even know I was there until a few seconds before my torpedoes hit, and there's absolutely no profit in it for me.
We don't fight for reward or glory, we fight to rid New Eden of the rotten Gallente culture.
Pass whatever rules you like, we won't stop until no more Velators undock.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
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