EVE General Discussion

This is completely reasonable, but this should also be clearly documented. As it stands, a player new to HS PVP is likely to come across that page and be misinformed, thinking that all players are safe there and that they will be banned if they kill veteran players in those systems. If it was made clear, then everyone knows where the line is and can act appropriately.

The saddest part of all of this is that there is a need for these rules and these threads ensue. The rules are now applied to another system because there is a group of people engaged in douchebaggery that involves killing players with characters that are less than a week old. Go off the deep end as much as you want about high sec miners and mission runners breaking and ruining Eve. But it's these people, these rookie-killing asshats, that are doing the most damage.

If I am reading GM Homonia's responses correctly f this behavior of targeting new players continues, the GMs will have to extend protections across many more systems. How far do we want to see that go? In my opinion, do not extend ANY more protections to any systems and simply perma-ban any player that targets and shoots at a rookie in any system. Do not punish the entire community because of the douchebaggery of a few. Just get rid of the few - the game is better without them.

Can-baiting is obviously not-cool in rookie systems, as you are basically fishing for random idiots (or noobs). The problem comes when you consider your wiki page and targeted means of getting aggro, such as ninja-salvaging, or can-flipping.

The wiki explicitly states can-flipping, which is the act of stealing a can from another player, is considered griefing. Your page literally says that I am not allowed to gain aggro against any player in a rookie system, regardless of whether or not they're a vet, or a rookie. What needs to be done is to make it clear that these targeted forms of gaining aggression, as long as they're employed on non-rookies are legal in these systems, assuming this is actually the case.

Otherwise, we can only assume that everything the two of you have said in this thread about non-rookies is completely unreliable, doesn't actually reflect the rules, and is utterly useless.

EDIT: My intent is not to be hostile to the GMs, but the reality is that if you do not clearly define this, it will only become a problem for you in terms of increased petition load.

Cant we just get a Stright anwser here

if arnon is now safe from all forms of pvp fine if its not fine

if rookies are safe than you have to difine a rookie

Its just bad Poltitcs not to

Like to think that to than someone flys buy me in a vindy with everytype of repper and lasers ...........

As a side note, there's a somewhat legitimate reason why they won't define a rookie.

A big part of this is that a lot of players will make a trial account and let it lapse, then a year later, they'll come back and reactivate the account. In this case, the player is still a rookie, even if their character is old. As a rule of thumb, it's probably safe to say that anyone who is in a ship that can't be trained on a trial account is not a rookie, given that they're older than a few weeks (ie BCs, BSs, etc).

Don't get me wrong. I'm against griefing new players. However, if you are going to use a heavy-handed approach like banning, you should make sure the rules are clear.

Edit: as stated in a post above, a clear rule would be: You are a rooky as long as you have the rookie-help channel open. (30 days)

Why I'm still bothering to respond to you is beyond me, but here goes.



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This is why I want it clearly stated on the wiki page, as the GM answers, regarding non-rookies, are literally changing every-other post.

Instead of banning noob griefers have CCP put contracts on them. A known griefer goes red and is gankable in noob systems for "x" amount of days/time without CCP interference. Perhaps make the griefer a target in all of high sec? Let the players police the issue.

I am sure this is a terrible idea...flame away.

Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities

1. Create new toon
2. Set course to Hek
3. Probe a mission runner
4. Steal loot
5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you<
6. Collect tears.

I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules.