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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#61 - 2012-06-30 08:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
Takara Mora wrote:
Great discussion points Bugsy and Vaju.

It seems overall what you are saying, is that perhaps EVE really is just a "Niche" game, and maybe that's how it will survive - by catering to a particular type of player who thrives on it.

That may be true ... it's sad to me though ... IMO, there should be a enough inherent diverisity in EVE, to fit many different styles of gamers .... I hope CCP continues to keep that in mind - we're not all bitter vets looking for easy PVP. Many of us just can't get ourselves all hot and bothered by at the prospect of ruining someone else's day and the bigger they lose the better (though we don't necessarily hold it against the rest of the community either since it adds to overall dark backdrop of EVE in most cases).

I'd like to see CCP come up with more PVP mechanics, not less ..... as I think part of what turns bitter vets bitter, is lack of exciting PVP tools and mechanics to keep them entertained after awhile, other than poaching the next 3 day old Bantam fresh out of the training grounds or gloating over how defenseless even a 200MM well tanked Hulk is under alpha strike (ok, maybe it takes 3 volleys anot one if you're well tnked) vs. a few 15MM destroyers. Ironic that these folks keep harping about wanting "EVE to be HARD", but thrive off such easy guaranteed win situations themselves, no?

I don't mean to harp on any one mechanic here - even the examples stated are complex interplays of game balancing rules and may or may have room for improvement ... but I do think Hisec has an important role to play, and one of those is in basically blunting the "15 yr old bully in the sandbox" effect that has the potential to make younger "kids" avoid said sandbox (logout).


People that say suicide ganking is so easy such actually try it out.

Everything in this game can be killed, even Titans. A Hulk with some damage control/invunarabilty field and shield modules can't be ganked with a few destroyers. Also with that type of fit you are not an appealing target, too much efford and resources to kill a Hulk. Besides that, how hard can it be to check local and d-scan? Mine alined to some celestial? Avoid 0.5 systems near lowsec? How about gravimetric sites?


People just want to mine AFK in Highsec with maximum yield fits without any danger. That's not how EvE Online works.

The Tears Must Flow
Rico Minali
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-06-30 08:51:11 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
The Voice of High Sec is the sound of a carebear emo-raging after being suicide ganked.



The real voice of hisec is of course the tens of thousands of nullsec players alts and will therefore be voting for their favoured nullsec CSM candidates, just like my 6 hisec alts will be doing.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Lady Flute
Ilmarinen Group
#63 - 2012-07-03 03:42:45 UTC
VICTORY FOR HIGHSEC PLAYERS

In the thread Greifers vs CCP I prediceted hard coded changes if players did not change their ways over hulkageddon. Players did not, and CCP has now confirmed it is acting, with the new mining ship rebalancing.

Bravo CCP, Bravo. I love the direction of the mining ship changes, and have had people who are teetering on quitting EVE alltogether make comments like "We might even start mining again with those new ships!".

I applaud the high-sec players who have stood up to the nullsec / pvp crowd and sent the unambiguous message to CCP that highsec social players desreve content improvements too. CCP have heard it, and are delivering beautifully considered changes to mining ships.

To all those who say "if you don't like it, leave": CCP has just shown it does not want players to leave. They are radically changing an entire class of ships (for the better) to support a gentle playstyle; if that is not sufficient to retain that customer group, more changes will be likely.

We do not need a new corporation for advocating for Highsec players. All we need to do is to post considered, detailed points ... and to have the courage to stand up to the trolls and flames of the pvpers who simply say things like "if you don't like it, quit". This game needs it paying customers to stay, not to quit. So we need to stand up to that attitude, and to advocate for harsher punishments for greifers / scammers (security and bounty system fixes etc) that protect the "trader citizens" of EVE.
Hurtado Soneka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-07-24 22:06:45 UTC
Lady Flute wrote:

We do not need a new corporation for advocating for Highsec players. All we need to do is to post considered, detailed points ... and to have the courage to stand up to the trolls and flames of the pvpers who simply say things like "if you don't like it, quit". This game needs it paying customers to stay, not to quit. So we need to stand up to that attitude, and to advocate for harsher punishments for greifers / scammers (security and bounty system fixes etc) that protect the "trader citizens" of EVE.


Very well said, we need players in all space accomplishing all there is to do in EvE to keep it rich and vibrant, the forums are so clouded by low/null sec morons that just pvp all the time that sometimes one can forget theres actually a lot more to do in the game that just locking down and hitting F1 on any random people you come across.

Telling other players to quit over any circumstance just hurts the community as a whole.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-07-24 23:22:13 UTC
Victory for botters. Yay for making mining ice or ore not worth the time of day again. Woo.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Brisco County
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-07-26 23:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Brisco County
Only if we can change the name of high sec to "Trammel".

Also, you're cracked if you think we're going to stop ******* with you because your hulk's EHP is doubled.




Hint: we're still going to keep ******* with you, and it will be even more satisfying, because you will be wearing smug faces when we warp into your belt.
Ellariona
B52 Bombers
#67 - 2012-07-27 05:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ellariona
Wolodymyr wrote:
...Only have veldspar and scordite in the belts...


Scordite is the most profitable highsec ore at the moment as far as I know, so that might be pointless :p Still, I get your point.

Also: While I agree with you, OP, that the CSM is perhaps too focused on the null/low/wh way of life in general, you have picked a very odd time to complain about highsec ganks and other carebearesque issues, especially with the mining frigates, mining barges and exhumers getting a complete overhaul to counteract the ridiculously easy ganks.

Also, what are you talking about with "no power items"? I thought CCP was going to stick to vanity only?

Lord Zim wrote:
Victory for botters. Yay for making mining ice or ore not worth the time of day again. Woo.


Not necessarily, more botting mackinaws/hulks in belts means more wardecs and ganks too, especially with the new wardec system, should be fun to watch. And in nullsec/w-space, the ehp doesn't matter much in pvp situations (unless if solo vs a frig or two, but still). And there's always large alliances like the Goons we can count on to organise events like hulkageddon...
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-07-27 10:17:13 UTC
The botting macks/hulks will be in NPC corps, so no, there won't be wardecs.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat