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Suicide Gankers - The New Soon to be Carebears or Not?

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Brorr Liason
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#21 - 2012-06-11 13:59:36 UTC
Posting in 1 of 10,000 'Let's analyze and interpret gankers' thread.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2012-06-11 14:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims.
…and the question remains: is anyone really claiming any of this? What motivation and air superiority are you talking about?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-06-11 14:01:45 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Whenever the risks go up and they'd have to pull some more weight pulling a gank of they seem to drop the ball and go for an easier kill. Which makes sence but shows a weak resolve. Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims.

So you're going for the "weak resolve" insult, now?

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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#24 - 2012-06-11 14:01:54 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
For every gank I ever made, I have ten other kills in my records, with most being solo, or at most as part of a group of five or less people.

Your whole wall of text is one big fallacy. Do you really think that gankers only possess that singular capability to blow up barges with destroyers? No, ganking stems from an attitude that can only be cultivated by experiencing the many different interactive facets this game possesses, including industry, combat pvp, and market trading.

On the other hand, the defining trait of a carebear is the monotonous repetition of the cycle of dying, and then whining about it and begging for the game to be changed in favor of unjustified and undeserved safety.


No I don't think that. But your KB and whatever kills you made solo etc or in a small gang don't do a lot of justice to the skills you have to be able to do that by reverting to something as easy and low risk as suicide ganking carebears for being carebears.

I think you're thinking more of it then it actually is. Which is a common trait among people who engage in it. Just takes a couple of days to skill up for it. To be honest a 10 day old noob engaging in it is a GD hero compared to some skilled null sec player using alts.

You're making it seem like ganking reverts all other accomplishments a player might have. That is ridiculous. People don't gank because they seek an easier experience after being stressed out by what you would define as "real" EVE activities; people gank because it's simply an activity they find enjoyable, for whatever reasons they might have, or because it's profitable.

If you've never ganked yourself, you will never understand this. You'll simply continue to post opinionated psychoanalytical babble without realizing how ignorant it makes you sound.

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Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#25 - 2012-06-11 14:09:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims.
…and the question remains: is anyone really claiming any of this? What motivation and air superiority are you talking about?


You try to make good points but it's not actually said anywhere. But that indication is given in tens of thousands of posts on this forum. Overall suicide gankers do give off an air of feeling superior towards their victims. Specially when the tears come as it's said. To me suicide ganking doesnt do justice to those indications on the forums and makes those who participate in it, by those actions alone, look like carebears in my oppinion. Despite of their experience and skills.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-11 14:11:58 UTC
Now that I think about it.

If you where a carebear the last thing you would want to be associated with you is a ganker.
So I doubt they even want them.

Then again, I don't think PvP'rs like them very much either, use yes, like no.

So I guess if you had to go down your line of thought, nobody wants the gankers in their group.




Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#27 - 2012-06-11 14:19:11 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims.
…and the question remains: is anyone really claiming any of this? What motivation and air superiority are you talking about?


You try to make good points but it's not actually said anywhere. But that indication is given in tens of thousands of posts on this forum. Overall suicide gankers do give off an air of feeling superior towards their victims. Specially when the tears come as it's said. To me suicide ganking doesnt do justice to those indications on the forums and makes those who participate in it, by those actions alone, look like carebears in my oppinion. Despite of their experience and skills.


Most of the gankers inform their victims how to not be victims and try to convince them to adapt to their tactics. The victims usually don't like the advice....we usually hear a response that sounds almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#28 - 2012-06-11 14:22:01 UTC
Quote:
You're making it seem like ganking reverts all other accomplishments a player might have. That is ridiculous.

If that is what you think I am implying then you have not understood. Or I didn't communicate it that well.

What I am saying is that, based on the large amounts of posts on this forum largely by suicide gankers that hint to their awesomeness over their victims from tears they have dropped on their recent losses. I'm simply implying based on my interpretation that it does not do justice to their own hints of awesomeness and that by those action alone they actually become what they claim to despise regardless of their true motivations and other accomplishments. Even if those other accomplishments claim or prove otherwise.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.

Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#29 - 2012-06-11 14:26:20 UTC
Quote:
Most of the gankers inform their victims how to not be victims and try to convince them to adapt to their tactics. The victims usually don't like the advice....we usually hear a response that sounds almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.


Ya, I know a few who do that. It "redeems" the act. The ganker had it's fun and the victim "hopefully" learned something from it.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#30 - 2012-06-11 14:30:04 UTC
Big smile

There's always plenty of advice thrown in with every tears thread on the forum. I should know, I browse and spam when I should be working.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#31 - 2012-06-11 14:31:15 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
What I am saying is that, based on the large amounts of posts on this forum largely by suicide gankers that hint to their awesomeness over their victims from tears they have dropped on their recent losses.

I gank, therefore I have a very large penis. In fact, ganking makes me so awesome, that I have an entourage of Playboy Playmates who feed me pre-skinned grapes from between their ****. Also, this gaming forum is a very serious place for very serious people. These statements are in no way sarcastic, or exaggerations in any shape, way, or form.

Aldeskwatso wrote:
I'm simply implying based on my interpretation that it does not do justice to their own hints of awesomeness and that by those action alone they actually become what they claim to despise regardless of their true motivations and other accomplishments. Even if those other accomplishments claim or prove otherwise.

Well I'm certainly glad that you're functional enough to make a logical claim. Now all you have to do is utilize logic to prove that it is true.

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#32 - 2012-06-11 14:31:59 UTC
i like it to see more miners in 0.0, nom nom

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Widow Cain
#33 - 2012-06-11 14:32:22 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
.. celebrate the bigger picture....


Stopped there, the "bigger picture" is bullshit self justification for picking on the weakest players in the game, if these players had any balls they would be in low, wh or null.

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NJDruid
Dead Roid Society
#34 - 2012-06-11 14:32:58 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Tippia wrote:
[quote=Aldeskwatso]Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims.
…and the question remains: is anyone really claiming any of this? What motivation and air superiority are you talking about?


......almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.


Are you saying you think a women dressed like that deserves to be attacked? Interesting . Personaly I think a women wearing anything they like is not an open invetation to be raped under any circumstances but thats just me.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-06-11 14:33:33 UTC
"Soon to be?"

Suicide gankers became the new carebears a very long time ago, around about the time when they began insisting their chosen profession, and later specific individuals themselves, were an indispensible cornerstone of EVE Online, without which the game would surely crash and burn. Suciide gankers now consider themselves saviours and crusaders fighting some sort of righteous war against people in hi-sec - and they can't even deny this because people have written multiple-post spiels about how they're sacred defenders of all that is pure and good about EVE Online.

"Without me, EVE Online will crumble and the game will be dead!" Who else do we know who regularly talks like that? Hi-sec miners. Hi-sec miners will often arrogantly state that they're responsible for keeping the low-end mineral market afloat, and that CCP should cater to them because if they were gone, the market would collapse and people would leave the game in frustration. Regardless of the veracity of this assertion, hi-sec miners are generally hated for their arrogance.

Suicide gankers have, in a twist of brilliant irony, set themselves up in a position very similar to that which miners occupy - that of an utterly indispensible part of EVE Online's culture and the guardians of its future. There are slight differences of course - miners claim they're the only thing ensuring market stability, while suicide gankers claim they're "providing content" or "driving emergent gameplay" (although more recently, suicide gankers will have you believe they're protecting EVE Online from some phantasmal threat). But it truly is all the same - buzzwords and flowery justifications for a sense of unwaranted self-importance. Both parties would like to believe they're somehow vital to the game's future, but the fact is, there's no-one in EVE Online who's indispensible. You are only as important to the future of this game as your ability to pay your subscription to it.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#36 - 2012-06-11 14:34:58 UTC
Widow Cain wrote:
Aldeskwatso wrote:
.. celebrate the bigger picture....


Stopped there, the "bigger picture" is bullshit self justification for picking on the weakest players in the game, if these players had any balls they would be in low, wh or null.

You're making it sound like most ganking isn't done by the alts of low, wh, and null players.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-06-11 14:36:33 UTC
Suicide ganking is definitely the new ultracarebearing... with the exception that it does not really build anything in and of itself like other industrial bears do.

I would also seriously challenge the notion that it brings that much to eve. Yes, im glad that eve allows for such things and CCP considers it fair play, but a bunch of low-skilled noobs attacking industrials is not what i would call a hard selling point for those looking for a challenge. I have not been around nine years because of the amazing excitement of attacking something that cannot shoot back.

This is only compounded by the poor gankers misguided notion that they are doing something unique we should all thank them for. It not what makes eve and CCP would do well not to dwell on this as eves core.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#38 - 2012-06-11 14:40:15 UTC
NJDruid wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Tippia wrote:
[quote=Aldeskwatso]Not really a testament to their motivation and air of superiority towards their victims.
…and the question remains: is anyone really claiming any of this? What motivation and air superiority are you talking about?


......almost as ludicrous as saying a beautiful woman should have every right to walk down a dark street at night alone wearing nothing but a bra and panties and not be a victim.


Are you saying you think a women dressed like that deserves to be attacked? Interesting . Personaly I think a women wearing anything they like is not an open invetation to be raped under any circumstances but thats just me.


It's an irrelevancy. Society cannot control the mind of a perpetrator so saying a woman should have every right to not be a victim is ludicrous. The only logical or reasonable response is to take measures to protect yourself or make efforts to be less of a target.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-11 14:41:55 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
HTFU

He did. Before posting the thread, in fact. By now, the ones who need to harden up are the ones who say HTFU on the forums on a day-to-day basis, the Suicide Gankers.

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Widow Cain
#40 - 2012-06-11 14:45:47 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Widow Cain wrote:
Aldeskwatso wrote:
.. celebrate the bigger picture....


Stopped there, the "bigger picture" is bullshit self justification for picking on the weakest players in the game, if these players had any balls they would be in low, wh or null.

You're making it sound like most ganking isn't done by the alts of low, wh, and null players.


Actually, S u i c i d e G a n k i n g which is the T o p i c is mostly done by wannabee PvPers, once you "progress" to some real form of PvP suicide ganking is lame, with maybe an occasional exception for something like a fat freighter...

OMG You are sooo pixel macho...