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Alara IonStorm

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#61 - 2012-06-13 18:14:44 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Mfume Apocal wrote:

Call me crazy, but that looks a lot like less DPS with artillery...?

Pulses don't do "twice the DPS", especially at 30km.

[Harbinger, Shield]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5

Twice the Gun DPS at 30km.

No one with 2 brain cells to rub together puts 650's on a Harbinger.

Kalli Brixzat

Likes received: 88

#62 - 2012-06-13 18:27:09 UTC

Alara IonStorm wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Mfume Apocal wrote:

Call me crazy, but that looks a lot like less DPS with artillery...?

Pulses don't do "twice the DPS", especially at 30km.

Glass cannon Harby, hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!


Alara IonStorm Likes received: 5,477	#63 - 2012-06-13 18:28:57 UTC Kalli Brixzat wrote: Glass cannon Harby, hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! As much tank as a Shield Brutix or Hurricane.

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 455

#64 - 2012-06-13 18:54:38 UTC

Alara IonStorm wrote:

600+ dps with Scorch? Where you got your implants?

Mfume Apocal

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 555

#65 - 2012-06-13 18:55:38 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Pulses don't do "twice the DPS", especially at 30km.

You're right... it does more than twice the DPS at that range. At any rate, Harb with full rack of HPLs, 3 heatsinks (admittedly, not an easy fit) does 601 (turret) DPS with faction multi. Swapping to a 2 heatsink+2 TE fit (much easier fit) it can put down 426 DPS w/ Scorch at 30km.

Which is compared to the arty Harb's 100ish DPS at 30km with Quake and 160-170ish with faction shortrange ammo or Tremor.


Alara IonStorm Likes received: 5,477	#66 - 2012-06-13 18:56:37 UTC Jorma Morkkis wrote: 600+ dps with Scorch? Where you got your implants? Stop counting falloff as optimal.


Mfume Apocal Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 555	#67 - 2012-06-13 18:57:17 UTC 1 Kalli Brixzat wrote: Glass cannon Harby, hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Almost 14k base shields. 48k EHP overall. "Glass cannon" is a term that does not mean what you think it means.

Major Killz

inglorious bastards.

Likes received: 325

#68 - 2012-06-13 19:25:35 UTC | Edited by: Major Killz

Harbinger
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Fourier Transform Tracking Program
Fourier Transform Tracking Program

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M 28,000m Optimal, 7,000m Falloff
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

This is my final Shild/Nano Harbinger setup. I don't fly this ship Drake, or Hurricane much @ all anymore (because of Talos). It outdamages a Artillery-Hurricane to about 32,000m. That's with both ships using thier maximum drone bandwidth and thermal drones.

It's funny, but this ship CAN school a Talos in warp distruptor range. Why don't I fly anymore then? I just don't like the damage profile and capacitor useage and the Talos brings down Cynabals and Vagabonds fairly quickly. Not to metion the Talos is alot faster. There's also, like a 100 + d per second difference between the Talos and Harbinger @ 28,000m.

There where a few engagements where the Harbingers capacitor lamed me hard and the damage profile compounded the issue.

Another helpful, but under appreciated factor is the Harbingers drone bandwidth. Which translates into Ecm Drones and damage drones. The above setup does 800 d per second easily (900+ overloaded). That's without heat.

Before I put this setup together. I defeated a few shield harbinger setups in my Hurricane. The above setup is different. I would have to be on top of the ship in a Hurricane from the start and I wouldn't win the damage or ehp contest. Neutralizers would be the only thing that could help a Hurricane win an engagement, with the above setup.

THE HARBINGER WAS A TEIR 3 BEFORE TEIR 3's WERE RELEASED...

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]

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Kaikka Carel Ziea Likes received: 102	#69 - 2012-06-13 21:43:39 UTC Shield Harbingers dominate this page))


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#70 - 2012-06-13 22:02:00 UTC \| Edited by: Jorma Morkkis Major Killz wrote: The above setup does 800 d per second easily (900+ overloaded). That's without heat. 756 with Conflag, max skills and a billion worth of implants.


Major Killz inglorious bastards. Likes received: 325	#71 - 2012-06-13 22:49:12 UTC Jorma Morkkis wrote: Major Killz wrote: The above setup does 800 d per second easily (900+ overloaded). That's without heat. 756 with Conflag, max skills and a billion worth of implants. Read the parts about drones = / anyway. Point is pulse lasers do have the worst tracking and they use alot of capacitor. [u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]

Kaikka Carel

Ziea

Likes received: 102

#72 - 2012-06-14 01:09:52 UTC

Ok, so there's now one question I'd like you to answer:

"Do you think that lasers are above other turret types or are they just different?"

Because if yes you can stick with what we have. And if second then we must assume that a "cap bonus" is no more a "bonus".

How about making it a tertiary bonus on every Amarr hull with enough turret hardpoints and in the meantime give real bonuses. Like 5% damage to Maller/Prophecy and 7.5% tracking to Omen/Harbinger/Geddon. The first will make reasonble to fit lasers in the first place while the second will boost tracking of pulses almost to the level of unbonused ACs/Blasters making them a little bit more competitive in brawl situations.

Also a Legion sub must either have this 7.5% tracking bonus like other top-tier turret subs or have the drones.

Mira Lynne

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 130

#73 - 2012-06-14 02:37:18 UTC

Kaikka Carel wrote:

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Convenient Link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114026&find=unread

The issue is the cap use bonus, no the lasers - if it were changed, suddenly a whole lot more ships are Viable.

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Gitanmaxx Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 116	#74 - 2012-06-14 03:15:36 UTC Kaikka Carel wrote: Ok, so there's now one question I'd like you to answer: "Do you think that lasers are above other turret types or are they just different?" Because if yes you can stick with what we have. And if second then we must assume that a "cap bonus" is no more a "bonus". . That's a really good summation, bottom line.

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Minmatar Republic

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