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Where does the ISK come from?
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#21 - 2012-06-11 09:52:06 UTC
Every ISK in the game comes first from the NPC. It's a good thing they can basically print ISK whenever they want, because otherwise they would go horribly bankrupt.

I wonder what would happen if the NPC factions, corporations and CONCORD start to run a more financially sound business, by not spending so much money they don't have and taxing/billing the players more appropriately for the services they provide.

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-06-11 09:58:23 UTC
Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
I suggested a while back they put Dog tag drop at .5 and remove all bounties. Add seeds for the Dog tags based on nation and treat them as the bounty. It's in the queue as I understand it so it might happen in 5 or 6 years.


To reduce the stream/faucet of money? Wouldn't this make the already rich players richer? Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties.


Null sec ratting. Bots.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-06-11 10:04:32 UTC
Porbably the most important part of the buy orders faucet is the sleeper blue loot ('cause I can't think about anything that is bigger).
Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2012-06-11 10:06:01 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
I suggested a while back they put Dog tag drop at .5 and remove all bounties. Add seeds for the Dog tags based on nation and treat them as the bounty. It's in the queue as I understand it so it might happen in 5 or 6 years.


To reduce the stream/faucet of money? Wouldn't this make the already rich players richer? Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties.


Null sec ratting. Bots.



Not to mention: Hi-sec. Mission bots...

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Potrondal Morrison
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-06-11 10:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Potrondal Morrison
I for one have amassed a wealthy fortune, and would be willing to help you out and get you on your feet and pass on some of the money that has been created in this game, so to do so if you send me any amount over 500 Million i will send you back DOUBLE the amount you send to me.
gfldex
#26 - 2012-06-11 10:28:38 UTC
Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties.


The highest bounty on a single NPC is a little more then 30M. Still surprised?

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Zeomebuch Nova
Undrinkable Grog Inc.
#27 - 2012-06-11 10:32:55 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Although I must admit that Im surprised that most of the money in EVE is from bounties.


The highest bounty on a single NPC is a little more then 30M. Still surprised?



not that said npc gets killed a lot though.
Cpt Zapp Braannigan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-06-11 12:45:18 UTC
Okay 30M for a pirate bounty, is alot more than I guessed was the maximum. Whats the highest bounty for common spawns? (As zeomebuch implied the 30M is a rare/hard spawn).
Sleeper blue loot sounds interesting, there are still alot of content in this game I dont know about.
Olleybear
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-06-11 22:23:44 UTC
Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Okay 30M for a pirate bounty, is alot more than I guessed was the maximum. Whats the highest bounty for common spawns? (As zeomebuch implied the 30M is a rare/hard spawn).
Sleeper blue loot sounds interesting, there are still alot of content in this game I dont know about.


Yes, the 30M isk spawn is a very rare spawn. These rare spawns are called Officer Spawns and in addition to the bounty, also have a chance of dropping very rare loot that could net you additional isk if you can get the loot to market.

Highest bounty I have seen on common spawns is just a touch above 1.8mil isk back when I was in the Tenal / Venal area a year or 2 ago.

Cant comment on sleeper loot. Someone who is a wormholer will have to do that.

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Dark EvE1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-06-11 22:30:37 UTC
join a wormhole corp

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CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#31 - 2012-06-11 23:20:27 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:


Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture?


The person you paid isk to for the ship still has the isk whether or not your ship explodes. Just because you no longer have the isk in your pocket after you bought the ship doesnt mean the isk isn't still in the Eve economy.

That is the isk movement vs isk creation that another poster touched on.



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Olleybear
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2012-06-11 23:28:27 UTC
CraftyCroc wrote:


Best bear



o/ Crafty Smile

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#33 - 2012-06-11 23:46:22 UTC
Headerman1 wrote:
Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Oh and a more specifc question what does NPCs buy?


On the market there isn't a lot, usually a system scanner, a POS module. There are also overseers personal effects i believe.



NPC's buy WormHole 'blue loot' which comes to around 9 trillion ISK per month
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#34 - 2012-06-11 23:55:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Standard copypasta:

Sinks:
  • Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
  • NPC sell orders
  • NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
  • NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
  • Wardecs
  • Sovereignty fees
  • PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices)
  • Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
  • Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
  • CSPA Charges
  • Smuggling fines
  • GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
  • Character deletion


I guess the only thing I'd add here is account unsubscription, but that is a slippery slope because those accounts can later resubscribe.
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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#35 - 2012-06-12 00:32:24 UTC
Isk comes from Chribbas' belly silly.

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-13 11:23:42 UTC
Bossy Lady wrote:
Anya Ohaya wrote:


Null sec ratting. Bots.



Not to mention: Hi-sec. Mission bots...


I'd expect the bounties to be more in line with the mission rewards if it was from level 4s.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-06-13 11:38:09 UTC
I find the most erotic part of a woman is the boobies.

If I said you had a nice body would you take off your pants and dance around a little?

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Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#38 - 2012-06-13 12:27:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture?
You're not seeing the big picture.

Where does the money go when you buy something?
Well, who sold you the thing? For 99% of the stuff you get, it's another player.
This means the other player has the money now (minus taxes). The money is still in the economy — it just changed hands.


Hell, if you just look at the small scale, it's even easier than that: what happens when you lose you ship? Nothing. You don't lose a cent. The money doesn't disappear from your wallet when you lose the ship — it disappears when you buy it. So even if you were to somehow get the ship from an NPC (which is normally the first sign of something being an ISK sink), the actual destruction wouldn't be a sink because the money was lost long before that. Now, since you don't actually buy ships from NPCs, it's even less of a sink, because as mentioned above, the money just moves to another player.

In fact, ship loss is usually an ISK faucet because ship destruction (unless caused by CONCORD) triggers an insurance payout. That payout is an NPC giving you money, thus creating ISK that didn't exist before. By design, insurance payouts are always larger than the premium you pay for them (including if you don't pay anything at all), so a triggered payout is always a net addition of ISK to the economy.


Hmm intresting point. I hope I use the following words right. But a ship is a fungible asset. And a commodity. All items have an isk value. People mine ore. That ore has a value and so money comes in. Ok not in isk format but in commodity format. Earler we talked about changing of isk. People change isk for ore. Ore is used to make ships. Ships get destroyed then that commodity is gone.
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#39 - 2012-06-13 12:29:30 UTC
Lol I'm not to sure if I argued my point or just convinced myself your right lol
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#40 - 2012-06-13 13:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Two things you need to know.


#1 - Ships destroyed doesn't destroy ISK.

This leads to inflation in EVE. Because eventually a Rifter that was bought for 100,000 ISK will be bought for 250,000 ISK because there's simply more money in the system than there was goods in the system at the outset.

#2 - NPCs don't really buy much at all.

But, they do buy some Trade Goods (listed at the bottom of the market section), and you can make money off of NPCs trading with them, although pathetically small amounts (there have been some opportunities where you could make a lot of money in the past with NPC trading, but not many anymore). They also buy things like Overseer Effects and Sleeper loot that is intended to be a "Bounty" in the form of an object.

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