Ships & Modules

Destroyers are ships that are specialized for one thing. Killing frigates. With the buffs made to various frigate hulls, I fear that destroyers are being shafted into a lower tier position in the food chain once again.

Destroyers should be able to destroy all type of frigates with no trouble. Destroyers are vulnerable to every ship bigger than it, so I believe it is fair that destroyers should be a serious threat to all frigates.

Assault Frigates should be easy to kill with destroyers, no frigate should be able to surpass a destroyer in a face to face 1 vs 1 fight.


-All the destroyers except the Thrasher has severe fitting issues, they are unable to fit their strongest short range guns without having a shortage of fitting to fill rest of the slots for anything else. Destroyers are anything but noob friendly due to the extremely tight fitting that even max skilled pilots have a hard time at.

If you have trouble fitting short range guns, wait until you try fitting long range guns without a fitting mod, it becomes a nightmare.

All the destroyers(except maybe the thrasher) need more cpu and powergrid to be more viable ships.


-I think destroyers could use another slot in order to make them more viable anti-frigate ships.

Coercer: +1 midslot (8/2/4)
Catalyst: +1 midslot (8/3/3)
Cormorant: +1 lowslot (8/4/2)
Thrasher: +1 lowslot (8/3/3)

-Destroyers should receive a damage bonus when attacking frigate size vessels. When going against frigates and drone all the weapons will receive a 100% bonus. This will ensure that destroyers demolish frigates without making them overpowered against other class ships.

With this destroyers will remain glass cannons against larger ships but will absolutely destroy smaller class ships.

Yes they did get buffed in crucible, but with the more recent buffs to t1 frigs and Assault Ships, they will need to be buffed again.

Yes. I have been in favor of that exact slot buff for a long time and fitting. Great idea especially with the line up of Tier 3 Frigates and the upcoming buffs to the rest of the class.


No. DPS is not a problem being higher then any Frigate and their tanks are stronger then T1 Frigates especially with an extra slot.

Assault Frigates should fight on par with Destroyers for sure and do it with all the advantages of a Frigate. They are the T2 Heavy Hitters and at the very least should be equal to Destroyers with their Frigate advantages intact.

CCP needs to release a T2 Destroyer to target Assault Frigates, an Assault Destroyer and let the T1 Dessies stick to beating T1's, Ceptors and Bombers.


They lost there -25% RoF Debuff which was a stupid thing to put on the ship in the first place. More guns for no purpose driving up the price. Also they got a bit more base tank, capacitor and a lower sig rad.

The buffs the op want tend to be towards utility which I agree is a good this. Web for the Caty, a second low for the Cormie, Point for the Coercer.

Destoryers are not gang ships they are to Frigates as Balltlecruisers are to Cruisers. With the new Frigate buff looking into utility is not a bad thing as well as fitting. The biggest obstacle to not choosing a Thrasher is utility which is why Thrashers are 5 to 1 vs every other Dessie class.

That 100% Damg to Frigates thing is rubbish but a bit more targeted fitting and a bit more utility might just be what the doctor ordered to help them without overpowering them against Assault Ships and Cruisers while dethroning the Thrasher.

Utility is however not a bad thing.

Both in the close and long range it help boost what is already good about the ship without improving capability against larger vessels. The idea that they are a gang ship is not wrong but solo capability needs to be considered. Gang support shouldn't limit a ship but enhance it and allow utility to move towards other area's such as range, scan res and so forth.

Know what Destroyer has utility, the Thrasher. No which ones are lacking, the rest. The extra slots provide so much more to the Caty, Coercer and Cormie then they do the Thrasher. It is a good buff in lu of the recent announced Frigate changes and future announced ones.

Right now in real combat it is Thrashers all the way down.

What ships would it obsolete.

Like Assault Frigates they would not have great speed. They could not take on T1 Cruisers effectively and would be vulnerable to larger ships.

I don't see any ship falling out of use because of Assault Destroyers.

Such a ship would put out 400-500 DPS, have 20k - 30k EHP, move like a cruiser, and have a much reduced signature radius. Throw in snakes or halo implants as well as off grid boosters.... you get the idea.

Huh? I was talking about less DPS with a little more tank but nothing crazy.

Have you guys even seen the Sniper Cormorant? The thing can engage to almost 100km. In FW minor plexes, this ship is very deadly to go against. Sensor booster or damp in the mids make this thing Siiick.

Adding another mid just makes it that much better. I only vote for the Coercer to have +1 mid. Having 1 low is not nearly as crippling as having just 1 mid.

The only (and only) buffs that need to be applied to destroyers is buffing the corm and the catalysts base speeds up so that they go the same speed as the thrasher/coercer with the MWD.

Thrasher is ridculously good, so is the coercer, instead of whining for a buff maybe try flying them.