Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't expect CCP to do jack or the next 5-6 months about this. Amarr is is just going to get used to the shaft. The day CCP fixes don't suck is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners.

cuz what we really need to do for factional warfare to make it more popular right now is gut the reward.... (sic)
This is not wow... factions don't need to be equal...

So, we should all just get on the Minmatar FW gravy train then?

First off, I want to say two things:

1) I have no idea if these changes were in before Inferno, as I didn't play much after I last quit in 2010. I also knew nothing about FW when I quit in 2010.

2) I apologize if there is already a thread up on this topic.

As it stands, it is too easy to make ISK via Minmatar FW. I made 600 mil with little to no effort in the last two days (Friday/Saturday) and if I care enough I'll make another 100 or 200 mil today. I am a 8-day old character, I should not be able to make that kind of ISK in so little time with the exception of intelligently playing the market. I know nothing about playing the market so I have to "work" for my ISK, but with FW I barely have to work at all for a lot of ISK.

Major complexes give 25000 LP.
Medium complexes give 15000 LP.
Minor complexes give 10000 LP.

For my horrible navigation skills, I can't speedtank a minor complex in a Vigil, nor can I really "do them" because my speedtanking Vigil fit with 200mm ACs can't even track them fast enough as I orbit them. This is still nice because I prefer to do Medium/Major complexes. Ultimately, I prefer doing major complexes as I can pretty much AFK in them as the orbital is so wide that they never get a lucky hit on me. In mediums I can't AFK too much because I'll get a hit here and there, so I have to pulse my SSB once in a while.

I made 188k LP in the last 2 days doing mostly majors, but some medium and minors (with partners) here and there. I didn't bother doing any plexes for the majority of yesterday as I made like 100k LP and I got bored of making more LP. On Friday night I made 80-90k LP. With what I'm trading in (which is slowly crashing in the market compared to the other Minmatar faction stuff that's crashing really fast) I get 3000 ISK per LP.

188k LP took me from 85 mil to 691 mil ISK.

There are a number of reasons how I am able to get this much LP and how I have a high ISK per LP ratio:

1) I can speedtank their complexes.

2) Amarr cannot speedtank Minmatar complexes.

Combine these reasons together and you will understand why Amarr is losing the Amarr vs Minmatar war heavily as Minmatar complexes cannot be speedtanked due to TPing and webbing NPCS. This means Amarr has very little progress in T1 while Minmatar is always T3 but fluctuates up to T4 daily.

The Gallente vs Caldari war do not have this problem because both sides can speedtank both factions. This means both Caldari and Gallente fluctate between T1 and T2.

The T3/T4 fluctuation is a huge advantage to my success. At T3, we pay normal price as other corporations for anything in the LP store. At T4, we pay 50% of the price! (just a note: T1 means you pay 4x the price, T2 you pay 2x, so as the tiers go you divide by two, this means T5 will be absolute insanity as it'd be 25% of normal price). This is for both ISK and LP, so something that costs 10000 LP and 10 million ISK to buy is 5000 LP and 5 million ISK to buy at T4.

So let's take a step back and see what this means. With T4, we get more from the LP store for cheaper. Factor in the fact that speedtanking Amarr plexes is effortless, resulting in a massive pseudo-free LP income, we have brand-new characters with crappy navigation skills making 200-300 mil per day with no effort and a couple of Vigil losses to retardation.

However, this can be fixed.

There are two solutions. One is easy, but detrimental to the whole point of FW. The other is good and solves the basic problem behind FW at the moment.

1) Let Amarr speedtank Minmatar complexes so everyone is "equal" in our ability to speedtank. But this is a bad suggestion because the ability to speedtank each others' complexes is a bad design implementation. Let's move on to the better suggestion.

2) Have all NPCs that spawn in all 4 faction complexes be able to web you. This will solve the problem behind speedtanking and force intelligent fleet composition and gameplay to actually conquer complexes.

If you actually thought I was a new guy and came to EVE for the first time a couple weeks ago. then you did not read my post in detail:

Let's step back and look at that. You have 200+ pilots vying for plexes in 10-14 systems. You can also get LP from kills - but you are sharing those with the fleet you're in. And you have to fleet up b/c Amarr are pushed into those 10-14 systems pretty tightly. And you have mission running. (which should be allowed only in enemy systems).

Now Pineapple is all excited. But other Minmatar are starting 'LP for defensive plexing!' threads. I was in Minmatar for 3 weeks after Inferno. I played sparingly and got 80k LP. I've played sparingly for the Amarr for a week and have 700k LP. Minmatar will suffer LP scarcity the more they push the Amarr out.

Actualy no they wont. Becasue CCP has set it up that Minmatar that do Caldari Plexs get Minmatar LP. (and every cross milita plexing fyi) So Amarr could be wiped out. (unlikely as they are starting to retake systems, this new system favours Offensive in a lopsided way) So if no Amarr plexs to do , Minmatar can either mission for LP or they can come up to other front and get it by doing Caldari plexs.

In fact up here whole corps are going Minmatar and staying in Gallente warzone to make isk , get cheap SFI.

By the way your ceo and his alts are up here solo tanking Gallente Majors in WCS fitted punishers with no guns. Which is another arguement for having to kill NPC's. Pro flying by the way. You can grab him when he goes afk, but boy does he warp out fast :)