EVE New Citizens Q&A

You'll have to find yourself another game to lure them into then as EVE can't have direct controls like that, the server cycle is too slow for it.

Im still in my first 45 Mins of the tut, I have no problems with it at all. I figured I'd come on here see what the community is like.

But as to the OP, the comments being made about being to Good for the Game does seem to ring true.

I had to clear my head of any previous experience before I decided to start as I know, its like nothing else before it. And Im pretty confident that if I stick at it the reward is gonna be massive!

My first hour in eve ....

Finish some of the tutorial

Warp to everything in the starter map

end up at asteriods

Mine asteriods

Get full with minerals

repeated

Still haven't finshed any of the tutorial hehe and I've continued to mine since then

Suggestions! that's way more interesting than mere complaints, thank you.

Some of them even lay grounds for improvement. I like the holo-Aura idea, something within the quarters to bump like the media screen already. IMO, one transition that is missing in the game for new players, could be injected between the end of character creation and the actual spawn into captain quarters, to smoothe the new player into the game.

As a capsuler, our mind is "captured" and injected into a medical clone. This is the same process happening when one is podded later on, but someone new to the game might need a bit of background posing the setting instead of just spawning clumsily in the middle of the quarters. Try to make it a bit more personnal. You supposedly just woke up after being "installed" in a clone for the first time, how about lying on the couch and Aura wakes you up, the character rises warily and sits while a holo bald lady greets the toon into their new self, explaining you just been transfered in this cloned body and as an on-screen display briefly shows WASD, invites you to have a little walk around, then gives a short run through the most important buttons like journal, inventory, help (aura), not too much, first time you discover a game, too much information kills the information.

That wouldn't take more than a couple minutes, up to 5 maybe.

Then the most important part comes into play, undocking and getting to a spot in space to get your first ship and dock again in the station. I agree with the fact that this should be fully scripted and poke back the player if a minute elapses during each action and the player didn't execute, AFK can happen, but at this point, most likely something wasn't understood. This covers undocking from the docking bay in the captain quarters, explaining to the player that warping to a mission location in the same system can be done via right-click in space and then the simple things needed to complete the mission as it goes through.

That again, could probably fit in 5 or 10mins.

I do fancy the idea of integrating some tutorial videos in the media screen, though. It's been most useless in my opinion in its current state.

Anything else, however, will require reading a fair amount of informations and some efforts to get around with, I won't argue further because information is available, presented in prev/next dialogs series concluded with links to more information, icons blink when attention is needed, rookie help channel is blinking simply with the sheer amount of constant activity, there's an in-game web-browser allwing to google stuff without leaving the game for those in fullscreen. It matches the general audience of the game and isn't in the scope of the first in-game hour anyway.

This, exactly what most others have said. EVE shouldn't be turned into a "WoW in Space". Like Willie I play EVE cause it is a "grown up" game, you have to think, you have to read stuff, you have to learn stuff. Not just stupid 'power level' to 60 and I rule everything. Try stuff, take 3 steps forward only to be pushed 2 steps back by some other player.

My impression of the tutorials was not nearly so horrific as the OP. I thought the absence of hand-holding was a good indication of how the rest of the game was going to be and a solid basis of the user interface and other game basics was provided.

I did look outside the game for assistance with the scanning tutorials. I did not find manipulation of the probes to be intuitive or well explained. I found a Youtube video that gave me sufficient understanding to complete the tutorials. (I haven't really done any scanning since.)

This is the final time I'm going to clean this thread up. Keep it constructive and on topic please. The discussion is about the New Player Experience and fixes or modifications that could be made and general feedback about it. I really don't want to lock this thread but I will if I need to.

My only gripe so far is that entry-level skills take way too long to train, IMO. I understand that skill training is supposed to be a drawn-out process, and it is designed to take time, which is fine in theory. But I feel like quite a bit of the entry-level skills take far too long to train to the point of inhibiting gameplay. The freedom to do whatever you want in EVE is great, and one of the game's main attractions for me in particular, and I'm sure for many others--but I can't actually do whatever I want right now because I have hours upon hours upon hours of skills to train before I can even start scratching the surface. Frankly, it's kind of lame.

I wouldn't mind waiting 10-30 minutes to train skills one by one so that I could start doing basic things, and I honestly don't mind the longer times which are to come required to further upgrade those basic skills, but when I have to wait 3-7 hours per skill just to start doing something basic, like hacking, or mining, or salvaging... it seems pretty ridiculous, especially when that's one of the first things a new player is faced with. We just start playing, and already we basically have to log off for nearly a day just to wait for skills to catch up so we can actually... go do very basic stuff. I don't expect to be able to fly a battleship right out of the gate, but to do something as simple as mine an asteroid, or salvage a wreck... I mean, come on.

It'd be nice if some skills could be actively trained as well as passively trained (in the background); at least for the entry levels. Like, if I have turrets equipped, and I'm engaged in combat, why shouldn't I get some skill points in turrets or w/e for using them? Shouldn't we learn by doing as well as learn by reading? Just saying.

Yes you can close the thread i opened here to discuss how to improve the first hour of EVE, because all you do is deleting posts and comments which do not align with HARDCORE fanbois and especially J'polls thinking. A bunch of criticism and argument-posts have been deleted...

Instead of giving some space to the new players to respond here, this thread have been occupied in the beginning by ppl who think that nothing should be changed and everything is ok.

And btw, who the hell is talking about turning EVE into World of Warcraft in space? Nobody, except few guys how are sooo afraid that the tutorials might be changed so they appeal to more new players. We got here some major PROPAGANDA going on...
EVE and World of WarCraft are completly different settings and players play it for completly different reasons. The whole approach is different.

I fully agree with some changes to the NPE. But most "improvements" on this thread (or even in general the forums) are all to make the NPE easier and safer (safer is more from another thread).

EVE isn't easy. EVE requires you to do your own research to find how things work. Like that scanning tutorial, that also was part of one of the tutorials I did with an alt in the old situation. I never did any scanning, so I had a hard time. So jumped to Google/Youtube - EVE Online probing tutorial. And found the most amazing YT video. Watched it twice, first time in 1 go, 2nd time step by step to understand how and why he does things. And found that tutorial site in less then 5 min after watching.

EVE can be hard and cruel for new players. But that is a good representation of how the rest of EVE is, hard and cruel.
Making the tutorial easy to go through will leave more new players stranded into the real game, or giving up hope when they get ganked during some mission cause they thought they were safe.