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Desiderya
Blue Canary
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#61 - 2012-06-12 11:58:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Anja Suorsa wrote:

On what grounds do you question our duty, honor and loyalty? I am genuinely curious.

This was my answer to General Inhonores, and I am sorry if it was somewhat insulting to you.

However, if you would like to turn discussion this way, I will answer. Because your leader has already shown that he is untrustworthy. And, I really would like to know your position, because I am too genuinely curious.

Are you loyal to the Wiyrkomi Corporation, to the Caldari State, and to Tibus Heth?

If you can firmly answer with single YES without any doubts, speculations and conditions, I will question you no more.


Untrustworthy?

We seem to be using different definitions of the word. I'd follow the man to hell and back.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#62 - 2012-06-12 12:17:49 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Anja Suorsa wrote:

On what grounds do you question our duty, honor and loyalty? I am genuinely curious.

This was my answer to General Inhonores, and I am sorry if it was somewhat insulting to you.

However, if you would like to turn discussion this way, I will answer. Because your leader has already shown that he is untrustworthy. And, I really would like to know your position, because I am too genuinely curious.

Are you loyal to the Wiyrkomi Corporation, to the Caldari State, and to Tibus Heth?

If you can firmly answer with single YES without any doubts, speculations and conditions, I will question you no more.


Untrustworthy?

We seem to be using different definitions of the word. I'd follow the man to hell and back.


By this, I assume you mean Malcolm Khross rather than Tibus Heth.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
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#63 - 2012-06-12 13:05:48 UTC
I think that was pretty clear.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#64 - 2012-06-12 13:09:01 UTC
The grammar was a little ambigous and I wanted to be sure it was made clear.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-06-12 13:19:15 UTC
Knowing Thessalonia, I would suggest that his inquiry wasn't meant to undermine your statement but rather to enforce what you were saying for anyone that would try to paint it in a different light.

~Malcolm Khross

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#66 - 2012-06-12 13:22:37 UTC
Points to Malcolm.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
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#67 - 2012-06-12 14:13:10 UTC
Thank you for pointing the need to clarify it out.
I was under the impression that Kim's statements in the past would make it clear that she'd never use the words Heth and untrustworthy in one sentence. Seems to me like I've erred.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-06-12 15:10:12 UTC
Desiderya wrote:

Untrustworthy?

We seem to be using different definitions of the word. I'd follow the man to hell and back.

Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader. This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug. He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.
And, please forgive me for such strong language against one person, I am feel myself uneasy telling this, but he well deserved it. Besides him, I can talk like this about only one another man, but, luckily, he is a gallentean.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-06-12 15:17:39 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader. This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug. He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.
And, please forgive me for such strong language against one person, I am feel myself uneasy telling this, but he well deserved it. Besides him, I can talk like this about only one another man, but, luckily, he is a gallentean.


The irony in this is almost tangible, seriously.

You could do yourself a favor and simply never speak to me or about me again, Kim. Honest, I won't complain.

~Malcolm Khross

Hoshisuuvi
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
#70 - 2012-06-12 15:50:41 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader. This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug. He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.
And, please forgive me for such strong language against one person, I am feel myself uneasy telling this, but he well deserved it. Besides him, I can talk like this about only one another man, but, luckily, he is a gallentean.

It is unfortunate how often pilots wrapping themselves in the State banner provide the best examples of the need for a Caldari-style meritocratic qualitative management program for the IGS access rosters. You throw stones and beg for forgiveness in the space of two breaths. Grow a spine.
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-06-12 16:06:20 UTC
For long, the name of the Seituoda Family has been associated with honor and trustworthy business practices. It makes me disappointed to see that now these people flying under their flag wish to tarnish this age-old reputation by shedding blood on the Wiyrkomi trade mark. Caldari Militia is a den of xenophobia and racism, does not respect ownership rights and kills civilians. By this move, you are dragging the heritage you pretend to defend to the dirt.

I wish the Seituoda family strength during these difficult times.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-06-12 16:28:57 UTC
Bastian Valoron wrote:
For long, the name of the Seituoda Family has been associated with honor and trustworthy business practices.


Indeed.

Bastian Valoren wrote:
It makes me disappointed to see that now these people flying under their flag wish to tarnish this age-old reputation by shedding blood on the Wiyrkomi trade mark.


You would be ignorant to assume that honor and trustworthiness are mutually exclusive to bloodshed. I would argue that such principles demand bloodshed under certain situations and circumstances. Furthermore, I would argue that these principles are worth defending, even through bloodshed.

Bastian Valoren wrote:
Caldari Militia is a den of xenophobia and racism, does not respect ownership rights and kills civilians.


There are many serving in the militia that are guilty of these and more, I do not hide that and made the decision to serve in the militia in spite of it. However, I would counsel you to first look into the sins and behaviors of your own militia before you can begin pointing your finger at others', especially since your own militia and government are guilty of many of the very same sins.

Bastian Valoren wrote:
By this move, you are dragging the heritage you pretend to defend to the dirt.


Only if we also engage in those practices, chancellor. You, like many others, would look at a forest and see only the forest. Those with wisdom look at the forest and see the trees, how each is unique and different, growing differently and representing different conditioning.

Bastian Valoren wrote:
I wish the Seituoda family strength during these difficult times.


You and I both. I am willing to fight for that strength and defend the principles that govern the Seituoda family and its corporation, demonstrating them even in the face of adversity. What are you doing to assist them besides offering empty wishes and playing politics in the Federation?

~Malcolm Khross

Desiderya
Blue Canary
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#73 - 2012-06-12 16:34:54 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader. This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug. He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.
And, please forgive me for such strong language against one person, I am feel myself uneasy telling this, but he well deserved it. Besides him, I can talk like this about only one another man, but, luckily, he is a gallentean.


Sorry to break it to you, precious, but you've gone to quite some lengths to earn every word he said to you.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-06-12 16:47:01 UTC
Hoshisuuvi wrote:
It is unfortunate how often pilots wrapping themselves in the State banner provide the best examples of the need for a Caldari-style meritocratic qualitative management program for the IGS access rosters.

I am completely agree with you on this one.

Hoshisuuvi wrote:
You throw stones and beg for forgiveness in the space of two breaths. Grow a spine.

You misunderstood me. I don't ask for forgiveness from him, but from readers, who are not happy to read this drama-lama. And about me not having a spine, don't listen to his lies. Well, anyway, if you are somehow inclined to believe him instead, you can always come and see me in person.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
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#75 - 2012-06-12 16:53:11 UTC
Seeing you in person.
This will enlighten us how?

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-06-12 17:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Silas Vitalia
Desiderya wrote:
Seeing you in person.
This will enlighten us how?


Perhaps Ms. Kim means 'in space?'

But since your group claims she has no spine I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem for the brave pilots of WHG.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#77 - 2012-06-12 17:12:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader.

The feeling is, I assure you, completely mutual between you and everyone else on the IGS.

Diana Kim wrote:
This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug.

It takes a special kind of blind to look in the mirror and confuse your own face for Malcolm's. Scrub the dirt off your own nose before trying to claim someone else didn't wash properly.

You are the one who's been using personal attacks and insults as arguments, not him; even if one could compare his responses to your mudslinging as such, they were still entirely in response to your provocation. You started the insults and personal attacks, not Malcolm. If you don't like the fact that people have returned fire with fire, you should consider not using fire in the first place.

Diana Kim wrote:
He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.

The only shameful stain on the State here is you, Kim. Malcolm has conducted himself rather admirably in the face of your vitriolic nonsense.

Frankly, it's astounding how you've managed to ignore the reality of your actions as long as you have. Normally I would attribute this to trolling, but in your case... yeah, no.

Part of me wants to give you the benefit of the doubt and just blame a language barrier, but given the prevalence and sophistication of translation implants and software in this day and age, there's only one way that could be part of the problem: you've turned off your translation software and are trying to translate things by hand without any form of assistance.

It'd make sense, until one took into account the fact that you seem equally as incapable of understanding the words of your fellow Statesmen as you are incapable of understanding the words of anyone else on this forum, at which point we're just left with a mystery.

So if you are indeed trying to do all these translations by hand, do yourself, and everyone else, a favor, and knock it the **** off. On the other hand, if you're not, and are actually using translation software, either upgrade it or stop posting entirely. You'll save everyone including yourself (and your corporation's PR department) a massive headache.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-06-12 17:14:51 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Desiderya wrote:
Seeing you in person.
This will enlighten us how?


Perhaps Ms. Kim means 'in space?'

But since your group claims she has no spine I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem for the brave pilots of WHG.


Come now Vitalia, this is beneath you. The last time she used "in person" and I assumed it meant "in space" she played the innocence card and claimed I was the one resorting to violence.

Regardless, no one in the Honor Guard will be firing any shots at Kim unless she fires them first. We do not practice letting ourselves be provoked into physical violence over verbal arguments and violence should be a last resort in any situation. Suffice it to say that Kim does not understand the Guard and I am tired of trying to explain it to her, that's as far as it goes.

~Malcolm Khross

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2012-06-12 20:07:52 UTC
It seems Ms. Kim still subscribes to the "good little patriotic soldier" school of Caldari loyalty. There was a time when I was not so different.

This attitude is less and less problematic the further down the chain of command it comes from. Sadly, an independent capsuleer is about as far from a marine regular as it is possible to be: we're not even in a formal chain of command. We are trusted to make our own choices, for our own reasons. This obligates us to think, and think carefully.

I keep hoping Ms. Kim will start (she's a fellow Achur, after all).

I keep being bitterly disappointed.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-06-14 04:14:12 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:

You are the one who's been using personal attacks and insults as arguments, not him; even if one could compare his responses to your mudslinging as such, they were still entirely in response to your provocation. You started the insults and personal attacks, not Malcolm. If you don't like the fact that people have returned fire with fire, you should consider not using fire in the first place.


Getting into a problem without knowing the situation, is not the best method to begin conversation. And your idea about ME starting personal attacks is absolutely wrong. I never had any reasons to start it and would never attack anyone, who are not gallente or started to attack me, or the State, or Tibus Heth or any group I belongs to by one reason or another. What you have seen in this discussion is a consequence of his unprovoked attack on me earlier. The problem lies not in the fact that some of our views are different, but in him unable to discuss them without attacks. He has showed himself earlier and because of his manners, I am not going to treat him as a decent opponent. And, due to my a bit aggressive nature, it's me, who are returning fire. You know, I am a soldier, when someone points a gun to me, I shoot back. Anyway, I am trying to avoid addressing him directly to not produce any more drama-lama.
What about you, other parts or your reply are based on an obvious gallentish ignorance, and thus I don't feel I would like to answer to them, but I hope after you read this, you will understand how wrong you are.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.