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Garreck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-06-09 15:29:27 UTC
I wouldn't worry too much about it, Lord Vaari. For better or worse, Providence in large part exists outside of the pomp and ceremony inherent to the great Empire. Indeed I would suggest that in some cases you may mistaking good natured joking for "disrespect." As we used to say where I come from, "we wouldn't tease you if we didn't like you."

You have admirers in Providence. Continue to do God's good work and know that His regard, and that of our Empress, matters most.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#22 - 2012-06-10 08:07:32 UTC
Peoples should learn to tease their friends and equals. I tolerate teasing without angering from very few people, and even them know their limits how much jokes someone like me can take. Im nobleman, my work is vital for the region and I simply not have time for jokes. I have even fewer friends than almost equals in Providence, and they know very well if they are considered to be my friends.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#23 - 2012-06-10 10:50:29 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Vaari wrote:
I have every right to demand great respect, for im high nobility of the Empire. Especially people of the Providence region should know this, for they live under rule of the Daedalus the Just. CVA is defender of the Empire outside Empire borders, but even some of its members have difficulties to comprehend our Imperial tradition and way.

Im often target of jokes and insults, but people should know, that Im most noble person in Providence region, thus they should learn to show their respect towards me. What comes to earning respect, even thought that I, Lord Vaari have not earned the respect of the people of Providence is ridiculous. I have done more heroic deeds for that region than most of its residents combined.


Name your six most heroic deeds.

I do believe that, in a stroke of brilliance, Vaari made a subtle true statement about the residents of Providence and how much they do for their region.

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Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#24 - 2012-06-10 15:33:53 UTC
Vaari wrote:
Your experience is not important. In our mighty empire, noble birth is enought to earn respect.


There are nobles that ended up in shackles themselves after making a mockery of our ways. You may want to remember that.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-06-13 21:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Vaari perhaps you need to spend some time in solitude and reflection while you pray for the strength to be a little more humble.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#26 - 2012-06-14 09:27:06 UTC
Why should earl of Sosan VII, founder and despot of the Imperial Pharmacy, archbishop of the Church of Providence, skilled industrialist, great miner, carrier of the Heaven's light, speaker of unquestioned truth, the world's most beloved hero, teacher of faith, self proclaimed prophet, guardian angel of the Providence, bringer of salvation, lion of the universe, blessed mortal, example of all clergy and golden mountain be humble?

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-06-14 13:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Vaari wrote:
Why should earl of Sosan VII, founder and despot of the Imperial Pharmacy, archbishop of the Church of Providence, skilled industrialist, great miner, carrier of the Heaven's light, speaker of unquestioned truth, the world's most beloved hero, teacher of faith, self proclaimed prophet, guardian angel of the Providence, bringer of salvation, lion of the universe, blessed mortal, example of all clergy and golden mountain be humble?


The Scriptures, Book of Missions 42:5 wrote:
"Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God"


With so many titles and accomplishments distracting you, a little humility might help you be closer to God.

The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 4:23c wrote:

"...One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence..."

~Malcolm Khross

Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#28 - 2012-06-14 13:29:25 UTC
Im closer to the God than any other mortal in this time, except maybe her majesty. I speak with our Lord, and He speaks at me. Texts you citated does not tell how noblemen should bow before peasants, but how peasants can elevate themselves in eyes of their better by being obedient and virtuous.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-06-14 13:55:53 UTC
Vaari wrote:
Im closer to the God than any other mortal in this time, except maybe her majesty. I speak with our Lord, and He speaks at me. Texts you citated does not tell how noblemen should bow before peasants, but how peasants can elevate themselves in eyes of their better by being obedient and virtuous.


You are right, the texts do not say you should bow before "peasants," but they express how you should bow before God and how the humility you display before God should penetrate to your heart and be reflected in all you do.

"True meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man."

This seems to suggest that meekness is a quality, a virtue even, one that should be reflected in everything you do. From the heart is borne both evil and righteousness.

"The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence..."

This seems to suggest that being a "nobleman" or being "above" others makes no difference in the end.

I would argue that the context of the passages here suggests that your circumstance and position should not change how you interact with those around you. In the end, you are but a passing moment in history and all that you have achieved is but scattered chaff before God.

~Malcolm Khross

Myxx
The Scope
#30 - 2012-06-14 17:49:59 UTC
To get 'closer' to your 'god' would require leaving Amarrian space, and getting as far away as you can from the priests and churches. Blink
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#31 - 2012-06-14 22:11:01 UTC
Khross, you did not really thought I, Lord Vaari demand respect from God? Im His most humble servant, and know my place very well. I made demand, because still I encounter ignorance every day in Providence region. Some peasants even dare to call me mate when they talk to me. or friend.

I know Im above all residents of the Providence when it comes to social status, and I except their behaviour to be proper when interacting with my majestic presence. I also know Im below high imperial authorities, and I show same respect to them. I also treat officials of holder alliances with respect, even if they are below me in social structure, because I recognice their high position in their owned territory. Altough I, Lord Vaari will not crawl before them even if it would please them, but I show their my respect with many ways and I except same in return from their subject.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#32 - 2012-06-14 22:27:47 UTC
How did you come to the conclusion that you're "above" all the residents of Providence Vaari? Because you say so doesn't make it true, sorry pilot.

What have you done to endear yourself to the populace? What have you done to earn their respect? Give yourself a million phony titles if you like, that means nothing. Deeds, not words, are the true currency of what garners respect Vaari. Oh, and a bit of humility helps as well.




Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#33 - 2012-06-14 22:38:16 UTC
I leave humility to the peasants. As I, Lord Vaari said before, I have done more for the providence than most of its residents combine.

It might be difficult of infidel to comrehend, but where I come, and what Providence stands for, nobility earn their respect moment they are born. No deed are required.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-06-15 03:17:32 UTC
Lord Vaari,

I know I am doing myself a disservice by attempting to construct this logically and I know you will not listen, but some part of me has apparently developed a strain of masochism.

Vaari wrote:
I, Lord Vaari demand respect from God? Im His most humble servant...


Leaving the obvious contradiction aside. Let us see these stark examples of humility:

Vaari of Many Titles wrote:


  • Some peasants even dare to call me mate when they talk to me. or friend.
  • I know Im above all residents of the Providence when it comes to social status
  • my majestic presence.
  • even if they are below me in social structure
  • I leave humility to the peasants
  • I have done more for the providence than most of its residents combine
  • earl of Sosan VII, founder and despot of the Imperial Pharmacy, archbishop of the Church of Providence, skilled industrialist, great miner, carrier of the Heaven's light, speaker of unquestioned truth, the world's most beloved hero, teacher of faith, self proclaimed prophet, guardian angel of the Providence, bringer of salvation, lion of the universe, blessed mortal, example of all clergy and golden mountain



You speak of humility before God but you show none in your heart, when your very own sacred texts command that you should.

Furthermore:

Vaari wrote:
It might be difficult of infidel to comrehend, but where I come, and what Providence stands for, nobility earn their respect moment they are born. No deed are required.


If you have done nothing, then you have earned nothing.

~Malcolm Khross

Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#35 - 2012-06-15 03:32:56 UTC
Sacred text does not command me to show humility to peasants. They order peasants to show their humility to me.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Rogue Integer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-06-15 04:05:16 UTC
I am reminded of something my grandfather used to say to me many years ago.

Quote:
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Cosmo Freir
Rock Paper Ion Blasters
#37 - 2012-06-15 09:32:38 UTC
Our glorious Leader,Lord Vaari has my full support. It's very easy to counter things with joking.
Evil Belsebub
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-06-15 10:02:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Evil Belsebub
Me, as in my full pagan character,support this.
Our Leader,Lord Vaari speaks the language that
i speak also and we respect him in every corner.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-15 12:20:45 UTC
You have done nothing worthy of respect. Why should anyone respect you?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-06-15 12:37:10 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You have done nothing worthy of respect. Why should anyone respect you?


Clearly because he demands they do so.

~Malcolm Khross

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