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He doesn't have to biomass that character, because if you only have one character, you have two more usable slots for just that purpose.


If you have 100m or more Skill points, then chances are you're already in either low or null if you're interested in pvping. If you have that many skill points and aren't already in low or null, chances are you'll never be interested in going there. This doesn't really affect only low and null either, as you can be wardeced and podded in high as well, so your argument there is weak.


That actually depends on whether or not your alliance needs the income it gains from repair costs. Some alliances have it set to 0, whilst others use it as another way of paying for the ships you lose and they reimburse you for. The prices are the same because CCP feels that they should be, either that or they haven't considered the idea of owning sov and holding a station might allow your alliance members to receive discounts on clones, increasing the value of holding sov, but this is a delicate balancing matter.



FW is FW and wanting something because someone else has it is childish, also, there are implications that perhaps few of you think about that I'll get to in the end of my post. But assuming you'll get more newbies to null simply because they have to pay less for their already extremely inexpensive clone cost is you assuming a bit too much I feel.



Most people in null have their own dedicated pvp toon, and it's not a stupid idea if you've already developed you main into what you what that character to preform.

Prices on clones for the highest level of skill points may be a bit high however, so they might want to look into giving more skill points for the buck as you get more skill points, although it is "Realistic" to some extent given how more powerful "hardware" is more expensive without significant improvement, much how it is between some of the top tiers of hardware.

The implications of removing the cost of clones, or lowering the cost too much, would not only cause issues with removing a isk sink, it would benefit the larger alliances the most. It would make power projection an even larger issue than it is today. Pod jumping isn't all that uncommon, but you're less likely to do it if you have to pay the price of a battle cruiser to show up for a small roam or bash, because let's face it, people are cheapskates. If your clone cost nothing at all, you could easily exploit this by being able to pod jump all over the galaxy with no repercussions, you can do it today, but it's costly. It would also be a way of bypassing the jump clone cool down for those uninterested in having implants all the time.

There's also something to be said about pay more: keep more. You as a 100m sp character don't have to buy the best clone. The game does not force you to do so. It's a choice of whether or not you're willing to risk losing sp because you don't want to pay to keep it safe. You pay with isk to keep your skill point advantage over the newer players. With more skill points, you should also be capable of flying bigger ships, which gives eve a natural progression towards bigger or better ships, and if you don't want to lose that clone, then don't fly in something that's paper thin.

Losing your pod is also slightly difficult unless you're in a bubble and even then, if you play your cards right, the odds of you losing your clone is very slim, and since you have that many skill points, then it should be obvious what you've done wrong if that occurs. Though in fleet fights, it is rather unavoidable.

You're forgetting that the Dust bunnies pay a price too. Every time they die, and they will die a lot, they lose their kit. Some of the kit is paid for in hard cash. That will sting a little.

It should cost less for them because they will be dying several times [the average ones at least] each engagement. Even though the cost of that is not prohibitive, it does add up after a while.

I'm going to give this my support even though I am not that high in terms of SP yet (46.6 mil SP)

As for CSM input they had something to say in a previous summit meeting: CSM December Summit minutes

The following quote can be found under the heading "Wormholes":

Semi Supported: Have prices reduced in Low/Null
Solution:
Clones in Highsec - remain as-is
Clones in Lowsec - reduce price by 25%/50%
Clones in Nullsec - reduce price by 75%/100%
(Clones in Null should be Extremely Cheap considering the Presence of Bubbles)

Encourages Basing out of Low/Null as opposed to Highsec - and, IMO, any single act should be better done in lowsec than highsec (Be it cheaper or more rewarding)
If this were to happen, i would move my Med Clone to Lowsec in a HEARTBEAT.

Slippery Slope argument. Please don't use extreme hypotheticals.

Clones are just annoying and pointless now.

We get the concept. Dying costs brain cells.

Except we lose them when raving about losing officer, deadspace, faction, etc mods...

Hi, I currently have 110 mil sp not looking forward to 120....
People who think more sp=more isk are ********... that's at least true after a certain amount, end of story

I am currently staying away from being inside bubbles at all cost... a currently pay 30 mil per clone, because of that I now only fly my trusty stiletto... its fast enough that I can burn out of bubbles before I might die... I can't afford to fly battlecruisers anymore... or battleships for that matter... when your clone cost the same as a ship hull... it starts to become crazy...

I don't know if clone cost should be removed completly... but the price should be adjusted... reduced to half of what it is now.

I would even be willing to say, reduce insurance payouts to match the lost isk sink or greater in trade of it...

clone cost has nothing to do with risk in pvp.

it is just dumb that if you want to have FUN and jump in a rifter or something you get penalized for downgrading your equipment and taking actually more risk than flying advanced t3 ship or whatsoever. or you get penalized for taking more risky ship like interdictor or interceptor or stealbomber you name it.

having more sp gives you almost zero advantage over anything after like few million sp. clone cost increases exponentially ESPECIALLY when you get over meaningless number of sp and you gain very little even in one year.

remove stupid need for low sp alt to fly interdictor or whatever.

this is not matter of player affording to get more characters or accounts it's just pure greed from ccp. make more accounts to do this and that. please stop.

imho what csm would really need to talk with ccp is this greedy alt account philosophy. it's like everywhere. do alt for this do alt for that. we really need to get rid of this bull.

I think clone costs should remain (or, if they go, one of the isk faucets should be reduced... like incursions). I think there should be a way to reduce them, though I haven't thought far enough ahead to figure that out.

Not supported. Here's why:

Core principle of EVE: Death should have meaning.

One thing that adds meaning to death in EVE is the cost of recovering from it. Part of that is the cost of the ship (and its associated mods/rigs) you are flying, part of that is the cost of the implants you have put in your clone, and part of it is the cost of the med clone itself.

Player choice is very important in a game for a whole pile of reasons, not least of which is that one definition of "game" is "A series of interesting choices" (Sid Meier's). Every account has three character slots available to it, so one of the choices you have is "How far do I train this character before I start training another one".

I have a couple of combat alts, one is a frig/destroyer based character that can fly and T2 fit Amarr, Gallente, and Minmatar AFs, Interceptors, and Interdictors, and even has Interdictors V. All that for the low cost of just under the 15.7m clone limit (I think it costs around 900k for the clone). I no longer train that character, so no need for learning implants, and it is specifically made to be deployed permanently in the combat zone. I don't know about you, but frigs and sabres are a hell of a lot of fun to fly, and the cost of the clone is negligible compared to the cost of the ships I'm putting on the line.

My other combat alt has all cruisers at V and HAC/Recon at V. That clone is a bit more expensive, but it allows a few more options/choices.

So I have made my choices around how I configure my PvP characters, and those choices have come from an appreciation that death has meaning in EVE, and that part of that meaning is clone cost. It's really not that hard to mitigate clone cost, especially for the small fast ships.

If you take away some of the meaning of death in EVE, it becomes less niche EVE and more mainstream MMO.