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Me'lazu Shakor
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-08 15:52:18 UTC
Seems that joining a corporation is not as simple as alot of players claim it is. I am about to break 1mil SP's in the next few hours but i am finding it difficult to get into a corporation. All i see in the recruitment chat is "looking for pilots with x,xxx,xxx SP's or more."

So how is a new player to make it out there with requirements like that? thats about what? a month or 2 of training before i even get close to that? I cant afford the shinny implants other people get to speed things up, so what options are left to me? Truthfully i wouldnt even care to find a corp as long as someone is whilling to mentor me and train me up on a 1 on one basis so i can actually improve my understanding. Its alot better to have someone to bounce questions back and forth with than reading a guide or having someone talk for hours on end. God knows ive read enough guides about this game that have left me with even more questions.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-08 16:08:15 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Me'lazu Shakor wrote:
Seems that joining a corporation is not as simple as alot of players claim it is. I am about to break 1mil SP's in the next few hours but i am finding it difficult to get into a corporation. All i see in the recruitment chat is "looking for pilots with x,xxx,xxx SP's or more."

So how is a new player to make it out there with requirements like that? thats about what? a month or 2 of training before i even get close to that? I cant afford the shinny implants other people get to speed things up, so what options are left to me? Truthfully i wouldnt even care to find a corp as long as someone is whilling to mentor me and train me up on a 1 on one basis so i can actually improve my understanding. Its alot better to have someone to bounce questions back and forth with than reading a guide or having someone talk for hours on end. God knows ive read enough guides about this game that have left me with even more questions.


First of all, you are looking at the wrong corps if you are looking at corps that ask for x mil SP.

These corps usually ask for such pilots as they need to know that new recruits:

- Can handle them self and don't need to be tutored every day.
- Can be self sufficient / have basic understanding of how EVE works.
- Aren't spies, usually spy alts are kept low SP as the main is the one that is training.

There are many corps that take on low SP (even just from scratch new players), examples are EVE University (one of the major training corps in EVE) and Red vs Blue alliances (either Red or Blue, one of the main PvP alliances in EVE, low level entry alliances for "laidback" PvP)

So search different corps. There are plenty of corps you can join, and sometimes giving good arguments can get you in even if you don't meet their minimal SP requirements (I joined a 5+mil SP corp when I was just at 2mil)

So, to recap, that minimum SP requirement is build in by corps to get people that are already having some understanding on how EVE works (so not always have to tutor their people, just answer the occasional question) or to prevent spies.

But there are MANY corps that will let a 1mil (or less) SP character in, you just have to find them. Use the ingame channel for recruitment, use the forums, use the in game search tool.

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When I"m online (usually in the EU evenings - 18:00 / 22:00 EVE time) you can always open a conversation if you have questions. Or just shoot me an EVEmail with them and I will answer them the best way I can.

Also these forums (New Citizens Q&A) is very useful, lots of older players are monitoring them and answer any question that pops up.

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-06-08 17:03:02 UTC
Look for new player friendly corps

there are a TON of corps that are new player friendly.


FC, what do?
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#4 - 2012-06-08 17:10:37 UTC

J'Poll Nailed most of it....

A few additonal thoughts:



1.) The number of skillpoints is not necessarily indicative of a knowledgeable player. If you are a quick learner, going out and applying yourself, and show good spirit a lot of corps will take you one well before the x million sp limit...



2.) As JPoll said, there are many noob-friendly corps... In contrast, there are many very unfriendly corps.



3.) Don't EVER pay to get into a corp. Don't EVER give a deposit to join a corp... these are scams... and perfectly legit in game...



4.) Even if joining a noob-corp is unappealing to you, they often can open up doors to many other major corps in game.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-08 17:15:23 UTC
Ooh and there is a major thing to look for:

Noob-corps: New corporation made by new players and usually doomed from the start. Cause of the lack of experience by older players they tend to not know what they are doing.

New player friendly corp: Corp that has experienced players as a backbone while also recruiting new players. These older guys can teach the new players on how EVE works.

Join the 2nd but avoid the 1st.

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TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-06-08 18:16:14 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Ooh and there is a major thing to look for:

Noob-corps: New corporation made by new players and usually doomed from the start. Cause of the lack of experience by older players they tend to not know what they are doing.

New player friendly corp: Corp that has experienced players as a backbone while also recruiting new players. These older guys can teach the new players on how EVE works.

Join the 2nd but avoid the 1st.


yea if someone is spamming for recruits in rookie help and their corp's name is the same as their character's, its probably not the best corp to join
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#7 - 2012-06-08 18:34:28 UTC
In addition to finding a new-player-friendly corp (There are plenty out there) compare what they specialize with what you want to do in game. Specialized corps can give you more detailed advice and help in whatever field you are curious about.

Be careful with corps who say "We do everything". They tend to lack focus and are not terribly helpful to newer players trying to find their way in EVE.



In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-06-08 18:34:52 UTC
As a general rule, ignore the recruitment channel.


Quote:
1.) The number of skillpoints is not necessarily indicative of a knowledgeable player. If you are a quick learner, going out and applying yourself, and show good spirit a lot of corps will take you one well before the x million sp limit...


^ This is important to know. EVE is a game where someone can play for years and still be utterly incompetent, and a game where someone can play for a few weeks and be quite good. I have met both types. Good corps will know it, too.


Instead of looking at random recruitment spam, you should first figure out what exactly it is you want to get into...then find a corp that does it. And remember, you don't have to join the corp necessarily to fly with them. I co-run a lowsec faction warfare corp and we very often fly in fleets with people outside of our corp, including prospective recruits. Many corps have a public channel that you can hang out in.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#9 - 2012-06-08 18:59:26 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:

Be careful with corps who say "We do everything". They tend to lack focus and are not terribly helpful to newer players trying to find their way in EVE.


Depends what you want from a corp. If you really want Eve to be a second job where you are assigned a specific task, get promoted, have the power of numbers on your side whenever you work, etc, then you need to be picky.

If you just want a chat box where you can ask questions and the occasional buddy to keep missions and pvp from getting boring or overly difficult, general-purpose corps are great.

It's sort of dependent on how seriously you take the game's "warring corporations" theme. I know that personally I spend enough time as an employee with a specific task outside of the game, when I'm flying my internet spaceship I tend to want to goof around and find somebody with something I can help them do that's not setting up a trap for me. I've quite enjoyed the "you could replace the formal corp structure with a simple chat box and no one would notice" style of about half the corps I've been in.

Remember, Eve's a sandbox, not really a competitive game. You don't have to be "trying to win" all the time. And relaxing and faffing about with people that have done a little bit of everything can actually help your specialized tasks... helping people haul ore and organize mining ops, which I would normally never have done as a mostly-combat pilot, has given me knowledge about operational procedures in mining that make picking on miners in my solo time much easier.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2012-06-08 19:22:51 UTC
Mostly having X amount of skill points comes from the fact that you need certain amount of SP to be able to do anything on your own in null.
Sure you can fly a rifter in fleets but I can tell you that ratting in a one in null isn't exactly feasible nor fun in the long run; so you need a battle ship which just so happens to need those 6mil SP to avoid from being completely fail fitted.
yopparai
ASTARTES CORP
Hashashin Cartel
#11 - 2012-06-08 20:33:18 UTC
If you want to learn to be pvp with small gangs Check us out.

Yopp
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-06-08 21:35:32 UTC
Quote:
Sure you can fly a rifter in fleets but I can tell you that ratting in a one in null isn't exactly feasible nor fun in the long run; so you need a battle ship which just so happens to need those 6mil SP to avoid from being completely fail fitted.


This is less true than it was pre-dominion. Any system with pirate upgrades will have low-end cosmic anomalies which are a great income source for a new pilot and definitely doable in a Rifter.

Also, most older players aren't going to bother interrupting their sanctums/belt ratting to loot and salvage...
Zoyx Ruhroh
A-OK Logistics and Fabrication
StoneGuard Alliance
#13 - 2012-06-08 21:50:02 UTC
Not sure if this is the smoothest way to go, but as a noob I remapped my attributes to two. I also bought a +3 implant which combined has brought a 20hour skill to 17h. I plan on doing another remap for the other two stats after I've trained most of the two I have now. Leaves out one stat, but oh well. I'll leave the third remap for when I know what I want to be.

Seems to be a quick way to get trained, at the cost of whatever remaps mean to people and strategy. Two for training, one for the road. The one year clock starts ticking after the first remap, with two bonus remaps still available.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-08 22:16:47 UTC
yopparai wrote:
If you want to learn to be pvp with small gangs Check us out.

Yopp


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Joseph Yee
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-06-08 23:22:04 UTC
Me'lazu Shakor wrote:
I cant afford the shinny implants other people get to speed things up, so what options are left to me? .


Can I also point out if you haven't already picked it your 9th anniversary gift can be a nice set of implants? (All +2's which is a nice boost. :) )

Everything else everyone is saying is good though. For me I don't play regularly enough to be part of a corp but I have made a few contacts to be a "Freelancer" with a corp. You know, help out on mining ops, run security or move stuff, things like that. It's also a good way to "try out" prospective corps.